Subj : Remember To : Matt Bedynek From : Ross Cassell Date : Sat Aug 25 2001 01:53 am Hello Matt! 25 Aug 01 01:52, you wrote to Janis Kracht: MB> We have two groups....one says they have the right and the other says MB> they don't. Since the vote is deadlocked who gets the final word? I MB> assume you will make the tie breaking vote? We have end nodes complaining too. JK>> David and Dale are stretching the description of this file echo JK>> to allow the release of their routing file and it is not JK>> necessary. MB> Right. But if they feel their chart is absolutely nessessary then MB> thats their business but I'm more laid back than most. What they find useful to them is not necessarily useful to others.. I use UNISCHED to kick off my tossing and maintenance events, that doesnt mean I hatch it or its cfg file to others because I find it useful to me? If they are so keen on sharing that which they find of use, they wouldnt have a private and restricted message echo? JK>> The BACKBONE file echo is a shared file echo amongst distribution JK>> systems and so is a little different but still cooperation is JK>> expected among those who use it. MB> Far be it for me to encourage static but I would would like to see MB> someone test the extent of this cooperation. The fact that they didnt try. But if they use a wrapper file, it indicates they be willing to address the concerns expressed. JK>> If Gamesnet started releasing it's routing file (and they've got JK>> quite an extensive membership and nodelist) I would point them to JK>> their own FDN to create an appropriate file echo to handle it. MB> Gamesnet is a not a fidonet backbone. :-) and IRNROUTE is not a BACKBONE file, your point? ;-) JK>> I still haven't gotten any reason from them to explain what would JK>> be so bad about having their own file echo. MB> Maybe it is that everyone has been screaming for them to simply pull MB> it instead of trying to propose a compromise. When you have two MB> groups a comrpomise is the only way to achieve anything...demands will MB> get you nowhere. No, myself in particular, has publicly in the past when this started in addition to private messages to the hatcher/Old Z1BC, the new Z1BC, and the coven of secret agent men who supposedly publish this chart, have asked them to create a new FDN ad naseum, I outlined the 5 minute process to do so. I even took things a step further, I helped clear the way for the publishers to get their own ZIN helpnode address, all they had to do was ask Janis for it, this would have lessened the grief they got and added to their credibility, they apparently dont want credibility. After all who wants to provide a anonymous party info, and not everyone accepts mail from unlisted points? Certainly anyone running FD/IM out of the box, wont let unlisted points achieve a connect unless they explicitly changed the default setting? Before I switched to ARGUS, I ran FD 2.32 commercial and I wouldnt let unlisted point connect here. MB> If the NAB wants to filter the file, let them do it, please. I for one want to make sure those who link here that are Z1B or otherwise have a desire to use that chart, gets that chart, but being that its being distributed in the wrong FDN, I am not going to distribute it to those folk at the expense of those whom dont want it. The Z1B has this separate sandbox mentality and regards everyone else as lepers, why they have an aversion to a FDN for their chart is unfathomable. == Ross http://www.the-estar.com:8080 ross@the-estar.com or rcassell@home.com ICQ = 5305939 --- GoldED/W32 3.0.1 * Origin: The Eastern Star [Mail Hub] - 864.573.7069 (1:18/500) .