Subj : Remember To : David Calafrancesco From : Ross Cassell Date : Tue Aug 21 2001 12:45 pm Hello David! 21 Aug 01 01:03, you wrote to me: DC> I never said that we would discuss anything with 'all of fidonet'. I I never said you would, and its definately not something you did. But you did not consult those you share the FDN with either. DC> also don't recall Foxy _EVER_ being part of any distro system and DC> therefor entitled to hatch in BACKBONE. C'mon David, her predecessor since the position was created had been hatching in BACKBONE, Foxy continued the practice until Mark Lewis at 1:3634/12 questioned why it wasnt being hatched in Z1_REC. If you disbelieve me, you know how to reach Mark. DC> I see by your own words that DC> your hatching of the nobogus stuff apperently wasn't sanctioned by DC> the rest of your distro system so was SPAM by your own definition. Of course it wasnt sanctioned and I was wrong and I have repeatedly admitted that error, its not my job to see to it that you pay attention. I have admitted said error in multiple forums. DC> The DC> BACKBONE fdn has had a long history of tolerance and cooperation DC> amongst the various distro systems. So you are saying that when you all voted on the system configurations of others, you consulted the other distribution systems when it as decided that Dale hatch that file? Bob, Bob, Brenda and Steve, did you all receive correspondence from the Z1B when they started hatching this file, I received nothing, but according to that fine spirit of cooperation David speaks of, we should have? DC> Then one day one distro system, the one you rejected in favor of a DC> more autocratic way of doing things, decides as a group to hatch a DC> file and you and yours throw tantrums all over the echos. Where were DC> your supporters when you were spamming your own files in that file DC> echo? What files, other than the NOBOGUS ones, oh you mean EASTSTAR.ZIP, oh I fixed that too, its in ECHOSTAT and free for any hub to use? One quick netmail to Janis and I had ECHOSTAT on the FILEGATE.. I however didnt send 14 distinctly named renditions of it and certainly not 14 and counting times, plus echomail statistics are far more germane than NETMAIL routes. But I have recognized my errors, have you recognized yours? RC>> chart is a ZeeOneBee info file. To hatch either in the BACKBONE RC>> FDN is plain wrong.. and yes I have repeatedly said my hatching RC>> NOBOGUS.ZIP/SS once was wrong and I apologized, has Dale RC>> apologized for his 14 infractions? DC> But you see, we only judge you by your words and your actions. They DC> speak volumes about you. Wrong, you judge others when they think differently from the "party line". You werent happy with me when I wouldnt fall in line with you Dale and John when they began calling for Foxy's head in January. RC>> Look I dont care what your group votes on, you say the IRNROUTE RC>> is useful to you, fine so what, my ROUTE.CFG is useful to me, but RC>> I aint cramming it down everyones throat and saying "look RC>> everyone, this is how I route and where and to whom".. or RC>> hatching 4NT.EXE and saying "look everyone, this is my command RC>> interpreter". DC> We don't care what the NAB thinks is useful to them and hatches. We DC> even tolerate that the NAB is really the Ross Cassell road show and DC> that nobody else over there has any say in things, Bwahahaha, I hope the others set you straight... Hey Bob S, do I speak for you and the rest? DC> or anything worth DC> saying as you apperently feel free to speak for the entire group DC> regularly. Like you appear to be doing for the Z1B right? DC> We don't care what the WWB hatches or considers important. DC> What we do care about is that our organization discussed the matter DC> like adults and decided a course of action, a decision which is now DC> being interfered with by several people. You didnt discuss the decision with the whole of the zone which the decision would _affect_. DC> Would you like us to pick files of your hatching and move them into DC> different areas? I thought to be a filegate hub you were honor bound DC> to pass through what was hatched, with the most minimal changes for DC> system security. Intercepting hatches and editing their control files DC> certainly seems to be contrary to that ideal of 'honor'. No files are being editted, in fact that file and _ALL_ (you can look up the word "all" in a dictionary) its various renditions have been passed on. In fact when I made that configuration change and created that echo, those that were linked to BACKBONE got linked to Z1B_ERN and I announced its existence, the what fors and told them they had the option to opt out of it by sending in the appropriate fix message. My obligations are to my links David, they are are not to you nor are they to Dale, when it comes to the constant foisting of a file they dont want that is in the wrong FDN, you bet your sweet bippee. Assuming you run the OH SHIT/TOO version of ALLFIX: [ASETUP] File echo Manager > Magic File Names Action: MoveToArea File Mask: IRNROUTE.* From Area: BACKBONE To Area: Z1B_ERN RC>> You want your own distro system, fine you got one. RC>> You wanted your own route list, fine you got one. DC> Yeah... I like how the ZEC 'challenged' us to put up or shut up and DC> when someone calls her on it people bitch even louder. People are bitching over the hatching, albeit there is currently alot of hippocracy going on now, for instance you all crucified Foxy over those dreaded plus signs, yet in your list, there is a link I have had for 3 years now, that you all have marked with your equivilant of the plus sign, I believe you call it investigating? The list is rather humorous, but if it floats your boat, thats ok too, just dont assume everyone needs it. RC>> Now since you are into having your own things, get your own FDN RC>> and I will shutup and so will everyone else. DC> If the members of the Z1B wish to create an FDN for a single file, DC> then we will do that. The same solution is available to you... If we were the ones calling a route file a NAB info file then I suppose it would be incumbent on us to create a more appropriate FDN, but thats not the case is it? Tell me something, apart from that silly vote you keep telling us about, why the BACKBONE FDN for the route file? == Ross http://www.the-estar.com:8080 ross@the-estar.com or rcassell@home.com ICQ = 5305939 --- GoldED/W32 3.0.1 * Origin: The Eastern Star [Mail Hub] - 864.573.7069 (1:18/500) .