Subj : second warning: was: - Remember To : moderator From : Roy Witt Date : Sat Aug 25 2001 05:39 am Hello moderator. 23 Aug 01 21:21, you wrote to Ross Cassell: m> Ross, this is the second and final warning. If you don't tone down the m> personal attacks below then you will be asked to absent yourself from m> this echo for a period of time. I didn't read any personal attacks in this. Are you afraid to allow a discussion of the subject matter this echo is supposedly all about? m> Ross Cassell wrote in a message to Matt Bedynek: RC>> Hello Matt! RC>> 21 Aug 01 19:16, you wrote to Michael Grant: MG>>> STOP RAMMING IT DOWN THE THROATS OF THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT IT!!! MB>> I'm not agreeing with anyone on this topic. MB>> But if its a problem why not implement filters to delete it upon MB>> arrival? RC>> Matt... Why should several xx number of sysops _have_ to filter out RC>> a file, when the solution is much simpler by having the one sysop RC>> who is the hatcher solve it by hatching it into a more appropriate RC>> FDN. RC>> To borrow a phrase from Star Trek: RC>> "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one". RC>> -SPOCK RC>> Please tell me why we have had for some time separate FDN's for the RC>> other Fidonet information files, ergo, Fidonews, Echolist and the RC>> like, is it possible people have the choice to take or not take? RC>> It was demonstrated how easy it was to create the Z1B, then they RC>> saw how easy it was to create their own route chart after they were RC>> challenged.. They have this propensity to have their own 'things' RC>> except this thing. RC>> The orderly arrangement a sysop might desire his or her file areas RC>> to be is of more paramount interest than any silly, stupid and RC>> immature "vote" taken by a few peabrained elitists. RC>> When the Z1B votes on something its on issues that only have an RC>> effect on them as individuals or a collective, this particular vote RC>> extends beyond this collective. This is also exacerbated that this RC>> group failed to consult the rest of the zone and more to the point RC>> the others they share the FDN with, despite Calafrancesco's chest RC>> thumping that they are working with a spirit of cooperation. RC>> I told you earlier that the IRNROUTE chart is not a Z1B info RC>> file... RC>> A. RC>> It does not mention what ECHOMAIL conferences were added or dropped RC>> or low traffic. RC>> B. RC>> It is not a master listing of all echomail conferences carried by RC>> the Z1B. RC>> C. RC>> It is not a policy document for the Z1B. RC>> D. RC>> It does not pertain to the movement of echomail. RC>> E. RC>> Using both the UNIXDOS version of GREP in addition to the one on my RC>> LINUX box, I grepped that file for: RC>> Z1B RC>> Z1BC RC>> SLA RC>> The names of the Z1B Hub Sysops RC>> No dice! RC>> There are 3 ways these fools can shut me up on this subject.. RC>> A. RC>> Create their own FDN and hatch that chart there, this might even RC>> make it easier on Dale and lighten his workload, the actual but RC>> anonymous publisher could hatch the file his or herself and not RC>> have to send the file manually to Dale? RC>> B. RC>> They could absorb that chart into BACKSTAT.Z1B, hopefully they RC>> would leave the normal BACKSTAT stuff listed at the top of the RC>> file? RC>> C. RC>> They could rename the chart back to ROUTEZ1B, they could announce RC>> what they are doing and consult, like they failed to do initially, RC>> but they would have to strip out of that file the routing RC>> information for those nets and nodes that they do absolutely no RC>> routing for via a direct connection or indirect connection via any RC>> of their direct downlinks. RC>> Option A, is the easiest, and its not likely they would bite for C. RC>> Options B or C would make it true Z1B information files, anything RC>> else is just spin on their part. RC>> == RC>> Ross RC>> http://www.the-estar.com:8080 RC>> ross@the-estar.com or rcassell@home.com ICQ = 5305939 RC>> ___ GoldED/W32 3.0.1 RC>> - Origin: The Eastern Star [Mail Hub] - 864.573.7069 (1:18/500) m> Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2 m> dave@drakkar.org m> ... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! m> -+- m> + Origin: Druid's Grove BBS - (914)/876-2237 (1:2624/306) Roy .... my messages only when off topic. Due to your NEW TOPIC -jw- --- Twit(t) Filter v2.1 (C) 2000 * Origin: 1998 FLAME echo - Asshole Of the Year! (1:10/22) .