Subj : File, file; who's got the file To : Dale Ross From : Jack Yates Date : Sun Aug 26 2001 03:45 am DR> There is no such thing as a Z1B routing committee and you know that. No, I *don't* know that. I don't know who they are or what they call themselves this week. DR> As far as secret police. I fully support discovering all the routes DR> that NetMail can take. I will smile ear to ear when a path has been DR> discovered that someone is trying to hide. Why? Why can't you just be satisfied that they don't want you to know and leave them alone? DR> I've had the personal DR> pleasure of providing echomail feeds to TWO Nets in the past few DR> months that otherwise would have NO echomail because of these efforts. Which has *nothing* to do with ERN or IRNROUTE.xxx You are trying to hide the elephant by redirecting my attention to the smoke in the other corner of the stage. I'm still focused on the elephant. DR> My system now has several exceptions that allows me to route around DR> some of these problem systems. Your system's route files have nothing to do with this problem you've created by hatching the IRNROUTE in the BACKBONE FDN. Keep your eye on the elephant... DR>>> always agreed to handle NetMail; check our SLA for further DR>>> information >> >> You're preaching to the choir, Dale, I was a tier2 hub until you >> forgot to invite me to stay/return after the exodus, remember? DR> Yes that is correct. The same thing happened with Mark Lewis. DR> Eventually you and I did exchange NetMail on the subject. You were DR> given the opportunity then to stay on. You made the decision not to DR> stay. "Given the opportunity?" Best I let this remark pass, unaddressed. DR> We were scrambling at that time to pull things back together. DR> You knew what was happening. You could just as easily have contacted DR> us and said that you did not agree with what Ross did and you needed a DR> connection. Good Grief! When are you going to understand that I don't need to agree with my uplink to pull mail from him. As much as you tend to piss me off, I could pull my mail from *you* with no qualms whatever. I just ignore the politics and move the mail; politics comes later, or in a different frame of mind. I don't care where the mail comes from, so long as it does, consistently. DR> You know so little about how that IRNROUTE is put together. Many hours DR> a week go into that list to VERIFY the published paths. I don't have to know and I really don't care. All I'm wanting to address in this thread is the fact that some SysOps are upset that you are hatching IRNROUTE in the BACKBONE FDN, and suggesting that yu do otherwise. My concerns regarding the list itself are confined to its accuracy regarding connections to my system. period. Keep your eye on the elephant. >> For all you know or for all that it matters, it may have been me, on >> the 'phone. Nonetheless, the file isn't there anymore. DR> You made it sound as if the Z1B member hubs complained we did not. DR> This was part of your parallel analogy. Never said any such thing; I avoided saying so. Lose the paranoia and address the issue. The elephant is still on the stage. DR> You have many of the Z1B members phone numbers. The numbers were DR> posted weekly while you were a member. I'm not a member anymore, why would I call any of the members? DR> And what about... NetMail? But DR> that doesn't really matter does it? It is much easier to send a DR> public DR> message to stir the pot than it is to send Netmail and try to resolve DR> an issue. But: I've got your attention, haven't I? DR> It is sort of like the boy that cried wolf. I see complaints from a DR> few sysops. These are the same sysops that will complain NO MATTER DR> what. It is the same handful of sysops that have been here before on DR> other issues. The ones that went to town knowing nothing of how I run DR> my system but made all these wild claims about NoBogus. You expect me DR> to listen to them and believe that they have a true concern? Surely DR> you jest. None of the sysops that complained to me care how you run your system; none of them care about how you run NoBogus; but, laying that aside, it appears that it doesn't matter that someone complains, if they've ever criticised you in any way, their complaints are invalid as far as you are concerned. DR> Show me some valid concerns and I will and the other member of the Z1B DR> will listen. Hell because of the complaints we are discussing options DR> right now. Then, evidently someone in the Z1B is listening. Good! DR> One or more of your downlinks. And these downlinks are? DR> Don't answer I DR> know, see comment above. No, you don't know, you just think you do. I have about 40 downlinks and *I* am speaking for the ones who complained to me about IRNROUTE. I don't see any reason at all for me to say who, exactly, complained, just that they did. I would think that the Z1B could accept my word on this. DR> Condescending attitude? No Jack. I only told you we do not have to DR> apologize because we clearly followed the charter for BACKBONE. I never asked for an apology, just move the file to your own FDN, which will go far to guarantee distribution As you have seen, there are systems deleting it as it arrives, now. >> dumped on their system with files they *have* requested and they're >> pissed. It isn't my job to defend or discriminate against >> the existence of the file; I just told them "You don't need it." >> They ask me "Why am I getting it? If I don't need it, I don't want >> it." DR> This is pure hogwash. I've seen the people that have complained. You've only seen *some* of them, and I'm not dealing in hogwash. That's what was asked of me and that's what I told them. DR> Are DR> you telling me that they do not know any better? I didn't say that, did I? Then that's not what I'm telling you. DR> Are you telling me DR> that they do not understand their basic routing? I didn't say that either, so that's not what I'm telling you. DR> Tell me, how do they DR> handle the confusion of three separate BACKBONE.xxx files? I'm not privy to the operation of their systems and that information will surely not enhance the operation of yours. IOW, Wot d'hel do you care. >> Evidently y'all don't care and will continue to alienate these >> sysops by sending the IRNROUTE in BACKBONE. DR> Dude those cats alienated themselves from the Z1B a long time ago by DR> their own choice. Don't be so sure of this; it appears otherwise to me. Some of them didn't even know who/what the Z1B was. DR> Am I do believe that their attitude is going to DR> change towards the Z1B? You surely aren't making any personal effort to change the minds of those who, as you say, "alienated themselves".. --- McGuffey's Reader GoldED UNREG * Origin: (1:3613/1275.1) .