Subj : ERN Charting Committee To : Bobby Queen From : Ross Cassell Date : Thu Jun 21 2001 09:48 am Hello Bobby! 21 Jun 01 07:08, you wrote to TODD SULLIVAN: BQ> Todd then explain why absolutely no one complained about me sending BQ> the message. They were worded EXACTLY the same but were from Bobby BQ> Queen instead of ERN Charting Committee. Because Bobby, you are real.. When you are tickled you laugh, when you are pinched you cry, when you are cut you bleed, you are real and with substance, despite having been the whipping boy. When you did it, people _KNEW_ who the fuck they were dealing with, with regard to your inquiries, despite you later passing the harvested info onward to area 51. _NOW_ people _DO_NOT_ know who in d'hel they are dealing with. Tell me Bobby is this wrong for people to not feel the same level of comfort _NOW_ as they did when you did it, knowing that when you did it, people knew who you are/were? Why should people feel at ease providing info to individuals to chicken shit to reveal their names? BQ> just that because of previous warnings from Janis that if the Z1B BQ> created a route list something would happen, the members of the BQ> committee would rather remain annoymous. Hogwash... No distribution system should be creating a route list. Ever hear of neutrality? BQ> What's funny is to see Ross and others trying to guess whos actually BQ> doing the Routelist when he has no idea even who all is in the BQ> Committee. The names I guessed are very much into it. I already mentioned having independent confirmation on one member. BQ> I still don't see what all the fighting is about. By having 2 BQ> Routelists its easier to catch mistakes. Fine and dandy Bobby, dont fool yourself into thinking that at the top levels that all seven TLH's are using that list of theirs, Dale and Todd are, but the rest are not.. Why do you idiots feel that just because you or anyone else produces a route list that your GOD will come storming out of the heavens and command myself or other hubs to use it? This argument was put forth when this route list war began back in January, no one was/is forced to use Foxy's list and no one is forced to use the other. But fer crying out loud Bobby if they want to have their own list and make it look official, then by golly let its producers reveal who the hell they are, I know at least one REC not on this side of the Mississippi who is extremely perturbed by getting these anonymous inquiries in addition to Andreas objections to the same anonymous crap. What do you use a route list for Bobby? BQ> I just wish everyone would go back to what this echo is supposed to be BQ> used for. I'm sure Ross or Bob would speak up real quick if I start BQ> forwarding answers to some of these messages into Z1_BACKBONE. Since the committee members are staying anonymous and you are saying they are doing so because of some threat you said Janis made against the Z1B, its a safe assumption that this implies that the entire alternate route chart is indeed a Z1B sponsored initiative and this is in fact the case. Lets not forget that Dale had the Z1B vote to hatch this chart into the wrong FDN. == Ross http://www.the-estar.com:8080 ross@the-estar.com or rcassell@home.com ICQ = 5305939 ERNROUTE Chart Data Submits, Netmail Dale Bennett Or Carl Ross @1:379/1.50 .... Dale and NOBOGUS, Fidonets Hepa-Filter. --- GoldED/W32 3.0.1 * Origin: The Eastern Star [Mail Hub] - 864.573.7069 (1:18/500) .