Subj : Your meshing To : Dale Ross From : Michael Grant Date : Sat May 19 2001 08:54 am Hello Dale. 19 May 01 08:02, you wrote to me: DR>>> We already know that Ross is a hypocrite, now let us see if Roy, DR>>> Michael and Andrea are hypocrites. Or will we hear from them DR>>> about Ross Cassell's filtering of mail. >> >> Go re-read my Fidonews article, Dale. DR> I didn't read it the first time. What makes you think that I will DR> re-read it? The Fidonews isn't the only place I stated it; I also stated the same in this very echo as well as in the FIDONEWS echo, before I wrote the article. You obviously read this echo. >> You must have forgotten that I stated that I was uneasy about Ross >> Cassell using NoBogus as well, and also that I stated that IMO, *NO* >> TLH's should be running the program. DR> Les see your actions in the echoes big boy. Ross Cassell has posted his NOBOGUS.CFG file. I find nothing wrong in it. It's set up only to catch dupe loops by stopping messages with the wrong pathways in them than his direct downlinks' systems are supposed to have. Perhaps if you had the self-confidence to do the same and post /your config, so that we can /all/ see what exactly your "neat" and "stricter" traps actually do, I'd stop pestering you about using it. Then again, I doubt whether you'd actually post your *real* NOBOGUS.CFG file publically without first altering it. Regardless, I would still prefer to see Ross not use NOBOGUS, as the potential still exists for him to abuse it. This has been my position all along. As a matter of fact, I feel no hubs at all should be filtering the mail in any way, other than to catch dupes. Even filtering out dupes can be detrimental, because if dupes are automatically removed, the system that is producing them may go along, blissfully unaware that his system is causing problems. At least if the end nodes /see/ the dupes, and where they originated from, it can then be communicated to the sysop who's system is causing them, and the problem can then be fixed. 273/416 is a perfect example. You and the other TLH's are running around, putting a band-aid on that node's mis-configuration, without doing anything to try and get that node to fix his problems! They're *HIS* problems, not the rest of us! Go and read P4, Dale; Every single sysop is responsible for what enters Fidonet from his system. The responsible party is not being held accountable for his actions. It is not a mail hub's job to see that the mail meets all technical specifications; it is not a mail hub's job to fix sysops problems for them; nor is it a mail hub's job to be political and say "our association is better than your association". I once said to you that I considered myself a part of the Z1B. I no longer feel I am a part of it, because you have changed what it is to more of a political entity than a mail moving one. It might suprise you to learn that I also do not consider myself a part of the NAB, either; I think it's time to do away with *all* the political crap. I now only consider myself a mail hub, and nothing more. If we all felt the same way, there'd be no need for a hub to carry a "Z1B" or "NAB" designation. A mail hub's *only* job is to move the mail. Period. >> You owe me an apology for alluding that I am hypocritical on that >> point; DR> I owe you nothing until you actually prove that you are not a DR> hypocrite. >> but I don't expect it to be forthcoming from you, as you are someone >> without any sense of honor. DR> So far you have not earned it. I will be certain to monitor all the DR> proper echoes for your attacks on Ross for his use of NoBogus. And Dale doesn't disappoint... You are /so/ predictable. --- GoldED+/386 1.1.4.5 * Origin: MikE'S MaDHousE: WelComE To ThE AsYluM! (1:134/11) .