Subj : Dog 'n' pony
To   : Dave Hamilton
From : Ross Cassell
Date : Wed May 16 2001 09:47 am

Hello Dave!

16 May 01 07:33, you wrote to me:

 RC>> As far as trying to influence, he read that book but his
 RC>> dictionary says "dictate to".

 DH> Why do you care? Even if he did "dictate," what would it have to do
 DH> with you? Any downlink that was unhappy could just opt out.

It had everything to do with me as that is his style when I was still a part of 
the DaleBone. He dictated to the NAB folk over bridging negotiations last fall, 
that resulted in the entire affair being drug out over the course of nearly 2 
months, because his "winning style" made the other parties uncomfortable 
dealing with him because he was "TELLING" them what they would have to do, I 
have (now recently obtained) copies of his emails with this tone in it and I 
dont give a rats ass what you think, but you dont negotiate things that way and 
ESPECIALLY in a written medium.

Then more recently his candor nearly caused a echo mod to pull his echoes from 
the Z1B. While it got worked out in the end, it never should have gotten that 
bad, had Dale learned how to use a little more diplomacy, especially when 
talking about him ownself sidelining messages, it would have been differently.

 DH> As long as we continue to have a choice of uplinks, all you have to
 DH> do is provide better service if your goal is to feed every Fidonet
 DH> node. They ought to be flocking to you, right?

Where do you come off telling me what my goals are, you are so far off base, 
they dont even need the ball to tag you out.

 DH> Instead, you seem to invest half of every day trying to control the
 DH> methods by which mail is delivered to nodes that specifically chose
 DH> NOT to feed from you - you know, those nodes who still care enough to
 DH> make choices they have left. You criticize it, and you criticize the
 DH> nodes that make that choice.

I havent criticised the nodes who have made their own choices, every node ought 
to have a choice on where they get their mail from, what software they choose 
to run and all that. On the other hand, these same nodes ought to have the same 
choice to filter their own mail, which is why I put that tool into their hands, 
to parties are affected here, the recipient but lets not forget about the 
sender.

 DH> underdog. Some do it because they're loyal to him. Some do it because
 DH> they are ashamed of what part of Fidonet the elflords have come to
 DH> represent.

Bullshit, you are suffering from a persecution syndrome, and wish to label 
everyone else a persecuter if they dont cater to *your* sensibilities.

 DH> him. Have you ever given any thought to why that might be?

Political alliances, they are as fragile as your Moms finest china.

==
Ross
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