Subj : Echo Savior Rides Again
To   : ANDREA SANTOS
From : Roy Witt
Date : Wed May 09 2001 10:21 am

Hello ANDREA.

08 May 01 16:32, you wrote to me:

 RW>> I do that too. However, we havn't found the remedy for someone who's
 RW>> leaving Fidonet, doesn't give a hoot or holler if the echo stays,
 RW>> dies or get's 'saved', they just drop out.

 AS> And this is where John's former expiry messages did help, despite
 AS> objections from certain folks.

Me! And for good reason.

 AS> Some active Moderators didn't manage to get passed the intent, that
 AS> the messages were not intended for them, but served as a wakeup call
 AS> for situations like what you described.

Netmail or email would have served that purpose just as well (has to be
so, as the Z1B SLA dictates that each moderator be available via netmail
- doubt if the other one has any policy like this).

Doing so in the echo only makes the situation worse, as now the users
feel the moderator has abandoned the echo and soon they'll be with no
place to use. I personally took it as an invitation to 'hijack' the
AUTORACE echo and was successful in spite of the moderator and his third
party updater.  It served the same purpose when the FLAME echo was about
to expire.

 AS> I don't know what to do beyond this.  If a Moderator is going to
 AS> leave without word, the echo is vulnerable.

Elist keeper requires 30 day wait before third parties may update.
Resolves the problem we've seen recently where the savior updates the echo
and then the real moderator comes along and has to argue to get his echo
back.  I know you're no fan of Bob Kohl, but it happened to him twice
when it shouldn't even have been a question.  How many more have suffered
the same fate?

 RW>> Whether it's viable or dead, there has to be a better way to resolve
 RW>> the issue.

 AS> Agreed.  Can always take the step of not allowing 3rd party updates.

Not exactly right. Third party updates are done with the permission of the
elisted moderator. Not allowing a 3rd party update after an expiration
would solve the problem.  But, you'll note by his reply here, that again
the EK refuses to even consider it.


.... I am not a Yank am a down to earth Full blown! Australian. -jw-
--- Twit(t) Filter v2.1 (C) 2000
 * Origin: 1998 FLAME echo - Asshole Of the Year! (1:10/22)

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