Subj : Nodelisting To : Lesley-Dee Dylan From : Janis Kracht Date : Thu Oct 25 2001 09:32 pm Hello there, Time to take this to another echo, however I will reply to this last message here. >Stewart offered a feed, from someone who made a request, and specifically aske > net 229. He didn't "ask" for net 229 - he was staing he though that Vero Beach was in net 229...which is why I replied to him first - =================================================================== Z1_Routing message #3463 from Janis Kracht to Michael Brisbois. Entered on 24th October, 2001 at 09:45, 26 lines. ^^^^^ Reply to msg # 3462. (There are no more replies.) Subject: Fidonet ================ Hi Michael, > Does anyone know were to get your node # and echo feed ....I am Vero bch fl > I think net 229 any input would be great > Thanx > Frosty > southernstatebbs.dns2go.com You're in florida, right? If so, contact Ross Cassell. He can either give you a node number and a feed, or re-direct you to a good system e-mail: rcassell@home.com fidonet netmail: 1:18/500 binkp: 1:18/500@fidonet, echomail.tzo.com He and others in region 18 have no problems giving fido echomail feeds, etc. via internet technology (ftp or binkp, etc.) Take care, Janis e-mail: janis@filegate.net telnet bbs: filegate.net www: http://www.filegate.net/ Fidonet: 1:2320/38 (502-245-6778) ================================================ I think the proper thing that Stewart should have said was, get a node number in Fla.. I'll help you set it up if you need help and I can give you a feed. If a node can't work with a net or region because of some technical issue (no one in the net/region does transx for instance, and the node only has e-mail) then other things can be discussed, certainly... other reasons of course may exist. Some day we may have no regions and no nets at all - a list of phone numbers and IP addresses... but we don't have that now. >quite a few others wind up in other nets and other regions. I know that's true.. I've worked with some of the people in this kind of situation. > "local" net. In those days, feeds were also legislated by Fido authorities, > and any attempt to get an out of net feed was stomped, as were attempts by a > net to get a feed from outside their region. In the old days when so much of Fidonet's traffic was under the cost of dialup lines, it may sometimes have made sense to the RC's, etc., to keep people in their net/region so all could share in the costs and allow a net to bring in more traffic... Not always, obviously. Cost recovery did allow nets to bring in more traffic, but no one I knew liked it and it wasn't long until someone started shopping around (thank god) ... as soon as we could, we got rid of it. I think net 272 got rid of CR in the early 90's... In the US at the time, the phone company monopoly did indeed make it more expensive to call someone LD but still in-state - it was cheaper most times to call out of state. I was able to convince my family to spend the money to push file echos around the country at a cost of about $650/700 or more a month; you just spent the money, or gave up the file distribution. The sad thing is, it is these huge loads of software that probably drove the CR plans for so long... :( >The Kohntrohl camp, the anti-ZIB plots, the seen-by stuffing, the rest of this > crap, has all been aimed at returning to the "good old days" of complete > control by the *C chain. That's ridiculous... You are twisting events to suit your incorrect assumptions. See [* below. > That kind of power lead to horrific abuses. We had > RCs who took bribes on policy complaints. We had RCs who ordered nets to > purchase feeds from their friends, and when they refused and insisted on an > independent feed, the RC would toast the NC's node number. We had an IC who > sat back and watched and insisted on "following procedures" when an >out-of-control RC toasted almost the entire Hong Kong net and the ZC was not t > be found, so there was no chain of command to follow through with correct > procedures. I don't think so. What RCs _now_ have taken bribes? What nodes _now_ have been toasted? What RCs _now_ have forced anyone to take a feed one place rather than another? You can bring up my choice of Foxy as ZEC all you like and try to call that some kind of abuse or GOB thing, but you are way off ... she is DAMN good at what she does. Her reports of echomail traffic and points where echomail is going into the bit bucket is exactly what we need to stop losing good amounts of echomail in fidonet. [* The very things you bring up regarding the z1b plots, the seen-by stuffing, etc, were in reaction to the all-time _BIG_ GOB - john souvestre.. You may have thought he was a swell guy (your prerogative) but don't ever try to say that he wasn't obnoxious in his brow-beating of sysops if he didn't get his short-sighted way, manipulative, conniving, and a complete control freak. I've know him and had to work with him since 1992. I _know_ this is true. In some technical areas he knew what he was doing... in other he was just plain wrong. If he'd had his way with file distribution long ago, it would have _died_ 7 years ago. You are hung up in the GOB network of the old Fidonet and would do better probably for yourself, and for the network, to look at the fidonet of today with open and fresh eyes. > Region 12 is not the problem. Policy 4 is the problem. Not quite. Policy 4 is workable. We have been successful in our attempts to work around the places we feel would be difficult if not impossible to change on an International scale. We just have to all work around these places =-Together-= Take care, Janis --- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag-3 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:2320/38) .