Subj : Nodelisting
To   : Michael Grant
From : Lesley-Dee Dylan
Date : Thu Oct 25 2001 04:53 pm

 MG> And the bullshit continues...

You are really blowing things out of proportion to what Stewart originally 
posted.  To refresh your memory:

   From: Stewart Honsberger                   
     To: Michael Brisbois                     
Subject: Fidonet

Hello Michael!

Oct 24 2001 05:50, Michael Brisbois wrote to All:

 MB> Does anyone know were to get your node # and echo feed ....I am Vero 
 MB> bch fl
 MB> I think net 229 any input would be great

If you support binkp, I'd be more than happy to feed you. Contact me via the 

e-mail address in my signature and we can talk about details.

[Stewart Honsberger] [blackdeath@softhome.net] [http://blackdeath.2y.net/]


This message was replied to inappropriately by Janis Kracht, letting all her 
henchmen know that a flamewar aimed at Stewart was expected:


   From: Janis Kracht                         
     To: Stewart Honsberger                   
Subject: Fidonet

Hi Stewart,

>> Does anyone know were to get your node # and echo feed ....I am Vero
>> bch fl
>> I think net 229 any input would be great

> If you support binkp, I'd be more than happy to feed you. Contact me via th
e
> e-mail address in my signature and we can talk about details.

He needs a node number Stewart.  Why not point him to his RC so that can be 
taken care of first... Makes a lot more sense to me.  That way he can connect
to whoever he'd like for his file/echomail/netmail feed.

Take care,
Janis


Stewart offered a feed, from someone who made a request, and specifically asked 
net 229.

When are you going to realize that Net 229 is doing some major promotional 
work, bringing new nodes into Zone 1?  Some of them end up in Net 229, but 
quite a few others wind up in other nets and other regions.  Instead of looking 
at the good work that the net is doing to build Fidonet, and thanking them for 
their efforts, and for the nodes that they attract to nets all over North 
America, you attack them for their their work and scare the newbies off.

As far as the geographic parts of Policy 4, that has ALWAYS been a problem that 
has cost Fido nodes.  Back in the days when I was still running BinkleyST on my 
Atari, another Atari node, Carlis Darby, from North Carolina, dropped out, 
because of the problems he was having with the geographic requirements.  He was 
not a local call to anyone, and his long distance charges within the state were 
higher than a long distance charge to any other state in the United States.  
His RC would not grant him a RIN, and insisted that he had to stay in his 
"local" net.  In those days, feeds were also legislated by Fido authorities, 
and any attempt to get an out of net feed was stomped, as were attempts by a 
net to get a feed from outside their region.

The Kohntrohl camp, the anti-ZIB plots, the seen-by stuffing, the rest of this 
crap, has all been aimed at returning to the "good old days" of complete 
control by the *C chain.  That kind of power lead to horrific abuses.  We had 
RCs who took bribes on policy complaints.  We had RCs who ordered nets to 
purchase feeds from their friends, and when they refused and insisted on an 
independent feed, the RC would toast the NC's node number.  We had an IC who 
sat back and watched and insisted on "following procedures" when an 
out-of-control RC toasted almost the entire Hong Kong net and the ZC was not to 
be found, so there was no chain of command to follow through with correct 
procedures.

Region 12 is not the problem.  Policy 4 is the problem.



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