Subj : RE: ERRORS in Route List!
To   : Andrea Santos
From : Robert Couture
Date : Thu May 10 2001 10:53 pm

Hello Andrea!

10 May 01 16:20, you wrote to me:

 RC>> Tell me ... what should it matter in an ION system?

 AS|> Doesn't matter if the system is POTS or ION.  Every Region in Zone 1
 AS|> is capable of listing an ION.  I believe every Region also has at
 AS|> least several NCs who are capable of same.  Policy 4 outlines the
 AS|> procedures to follow for nodelisting out of area nodes and why it's
 AS|> done.

Very good!  And just how does a new generation sysop contact these people? 
Where is the contact information?  Where do they ask how to setup their BBS? 
Think about it.  With a POTS system, it was easy to see who could be contacted, 
and how to contact them.  Pop a phone number into your client and phone the BBS 
closest to you.  That was easy.

Now try that with an ION system like mine.  Pop in a phone number and oh wait, 
I don't have a modem in my system.  Oh okay, let's look for another way ... oh 
wait how do you read these nodelists?  (Remember, we are talking about new 
sysops here.)

 RC>> "geographically locating" nodes.  In an ION system, geography has
 RC>> little to do with it.  We took initiative and did something about
 RC>> providing resources for ION's to join.

 AS|> The initiative was started well before your Region got into the act.
 AS|> Now, if the nodes in question actually attempted to contact *Cs in
 AS|> their geographic regions and couldn't get listed, I wouldn't have an
 AS|> objection to an out of area listing.  But there are definitely
 AS|> listings in the 229 segment where that doesn't apply and the *C simply
 AS|> went and listed them.

We offer to list anyone who comes to us for help.  We have an active method of 
helping new generation sysops get their systems setup in fidonet.  I spent 
hours creating helpful documentation that starts the sysop on his/her way to 
getting connected.  I based the documentation on our NET because that was the 
screenshots I used.  We offer a way in.  After three or perhaps four sysops 
that we suggested contact someone in their Net for listing, didn't get 
responses, from their Net (or couldn't even connect for technical or whatever 
reasons), we listed them here.  They wanted to join FidoNet, we offer a way to 
join FidoNet that is painless.

Without throwing PeeFour (Which is outdated when it comes to ION systems) at 
me, what is wrong with that?

That is until they start reading all this back biting and in-fighting ;)

 AS|> If I were "jealous," I wouldn't have referred the many nodes I have
 AS|> to other Nets and Regions and "kept" them for Net 135 and Region
 AS|> 18.

Yet you infer that we haven't done so?  We have.  We offer a choice.

Robert

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