Subj : alternate routing chart To : Carol Shenkenberger From : Michael Grant Date : Sun Apr 22 2001 03:23 pm Hello Carol. 22 Apr 01 12:58, you wrote to me: MG>> They've been shitting on Fidonet for years, and saying they do MG>> things so much better in their Region for so long, why don't they MG>> just get it over with and make the final cut, so they can run MG>> their own network an damn way they please? CS> That is unfair. Michael, R12 sysops have their own method on some CS> things but let me tell ya a non-secret most arent aware of. In actual CS> *function* on ERN and Echomail, they are very similar to R13. In fact, CS> if politically worded things are left out, R13 and R12 come *damn CS> close* on almost every issue on a sysop-wide view. The difference is; Region 13 doesn't try to tell everyone else the way they should be doing things; Region 12 does. This is the biggest problem in Fidonet today. People are getting sick and tired of the same old gang from Region 12 always jumping up and screaming everytime the rest of Fidonet wants to do something differently than Region 12 wants it done. Rather than continue to listen to their constant stamping of their feet and whining about how wrong the way everyone else wants to do things is, many are instead simply packing up and leaving Fidonet for good. No one in any other region cares how the sysops of region 12 choose to run their region. They /do/ however, feel justly indignant when Region 12 tells them that the way they choose to do things in their region is wrong. CS> About the only spot we vary is that R13 is a strong P4 believing area CS> and R12 acts like it in places but disavows it as a principle. R12 acts like it disregards anything when it suits them. That's fine, so long as they keep that attitude in their region; but when all the other regions agree to do something a certain way in dealing **outside** of the respective regions, Region 12 has to accect the will of the majority. To refuse in such a situation to accept the agreed upon way of doing things is to seperate themselves from everyone else anyways, so they may as well make it official. --- GoldED+/386 1.1.4.5 * Origin: MikE'S MaDHousE: WelComE To ThE AsYluM! (1:134/11) .