Subj : Removal
To   : Todd Sullivan
From : Tony Campbell
Date : Sun Sep 09 2001 04:16 am

> In a message of 07 Sep 01 Tony Campbell wrote to Bobby Queen:
>>> Yo Nab!
>>> As current moderator of the following 56 echos I would like to ask for
>>> the
>>> removal of these echos which have had very minimal traffic if any for the
>>> past 12 months.  Thank you.
>> ...
>>> USIIA
>> Bobby, if you relisted USIIA, then you are wrong, and will probably be
>> facing legal action.  I will do some checks, and am giving you the
>> benefit of the doubt.  I was the official moderator, appointed by the
>> USIIA, and it was removed from the echolist at their request.
> Now, Tony, you should know that once a listing is removed there's nothing
> that can be done to stop someone from re-listing it.  As has been stated
> over and over /ad/ /infinitum/, /ad/ /nauseum/, Fido is in a legal grey
> area.

The trademark violation was that Bobby is not a member, and  used the 
associations full trademarked name on the echolist entry.   Unauthorized use of 
a trademark is NOT a grey area, even for  non-commercial or hobbiest.

> It serves Bobby right, picking up all those dead echos just to drop them
> later.  Nobody cared enough to keep them going in the first place.
> Todd Sullivan
> ... Espresso:  An ultra-efficient caffeine delivery system.

I am still waiting for the message back from them if they will  accept Bobbys 
good faith actions.  I have done all I can.  Bobby  really 'stepped on it' this 
time.  

He is supposed to do research on every echo he salvages to  contact the 
moderator.  He knows me, and the ways to contact me.   He just grabbed.

Another point a lot of folks have missed is that USIIA was  intended to be 
carried only from the Southern Star.   John S was USIIA.  

The very fact it was carried on this backbone shows even more  faults with the 
system.  It was pulled from its backbone,  and a couple of months later then 
delisted.  The other  backbones never had permission to carry it.   Personally, 
I did not care, but technicially, it was  wrong for it to have ever been on 
this backbone.

To this day, I really don't know what set the USIIA off, all I know  is that 
somebody or bodies lost a great resource for fidonet that  was being provided 
free.

Tony

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