Subj : Re: Live CD To : CHARLES ANGELICH From : Alan Zisman Date : Tue Sep 13 2005 07:19 pm -=> CHARLES ANGELICH wrote to ALAN ZISMAN <=- GH>> To stay on topic ("Windows") I argued for Linux at the GH>> Senior Center computer lab ... with a GUI setup just like GH>> Windows. The answer was : "If you're gonna do that, why GH>> not just go Windows!" Alien mindset! AA>> A sad commentary indeed. :( MS has succeeded in AA>> brainwashing them to think no alternatives exist. AA>> But what was your answer to their question? AZ> There is, in fact, a bit of a debate going on right now AZ> about how to increase use of Linux as a desktop OS (rather AZ> than as a server OS)... one side is arguing that Linux AZ> needs to become more Windows-like. The other side suggests AZ> (as in GH's anecdote) that if Linux becomes more AZ> Windows-like, then users will see it as a cheap Windows AZ> knock-off, and feel like they might as well stick to 'the AZ> real thing'. CA> There is a third group that believes it is the lack of CA> application software that discourages people who consider CA> changing over to Linux. I consider myself a member of that CA> third group. There's also the 'hardware support' issue-- though that (along with ease of installation) has vastly improved over the years I've been trying out Linux. Now most distributions I try auto-detect the display and sound card on my Dell laptop, which didn't use to be the case. WiFi cards remain an issue (as do things like Win-modems); the older WiFi cards I've tested almost all work, and are auto-detected. The newer models that I've tried tend to lack drivers, however. And there are issues with software installation-- I've gotten very frustrated trying to install standard things like Firefox and OpenOffice upgrades, unless there's a version auto-downloaded by the particular distribution's own software. CA> re: "More Windows-like" CA> Whatever Windows has managed to do well or even just acclimate CA> the typical personal computer user to would have to be CA> addressed by any OS attempting to go mainstream. Avoiding the CA> pitfalls of releasing unfinished applications, the constant CA> need to patch the OS, and maintain a reasonably stable system CA> is also a factor in NOT being more "Windows-like". CA> re: "stick to 'the real thing'" CA> This is probably what stunned Linspire (Lindows). The marketing CA> made it sound too much like a Windows clone even though that CA> was never really true. Possibly interesting read: "Is desktop Linux stuck on stupid?" http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=419&tag=nl.e589 .... Inet mail to: alan at zisman dot ca --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.40 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) .