Subj : Is (Redhat) Linux just a cheap version of Windows? To : comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux From : singburi_sam Date : Thu Sep 02 2004 01:55 am The subject line says it all. Newspapers and magazines tell me that Linux is the alternative for those who can't afford the dollars for the superior Microsoft product. Maybe they're right: I notice the federal government is not so thrifty with taxpayer dollars as to avoid Microsoft Windows in their space-probes and attack submarines. I find my Redhat-gnome environment very similar to Windows, but I'd prefer to talk about an OS I used many years ago. I'll call it Version 7 because that was its name. When I first started using Version 7, someone taught me a single command ``man intro.'' From there I learned I could type ``man grep'' and later ``grep'' itself. I learned about ``ps'' which led me to ``man 8 getty'' etc. Before too long I knew quite a bit about Version 7; eventually I was running ``adb -wk'' and all sorts of fun stuff. There was no Usenet then so no version7.questions to help me, but I didn't need it. Once someone showed me ``man intro'' I was self-sufficient. There was no billionaire with a vested interest in user ignorance: maybe that's why ``man intro'' existed. Let me contrast this with my present system. When I boot Redhat the first thing I do when I get control is to send STOP signals to magicdev and eggcups. I stumbled on this procedure through a combination of trial-and-error, and the techniques I would have used in Version 7 when coping with a malicious user. I have no idea whatsoever what the programs ``magicdev'' and ``eggcups'' are for, but it's either very important (they access the hard-disk every second or two, forever, unless I send them the stop signal -- this makes it almost impossible to do much with my machine) or very inconsequential (stopping them seems to have no effect whatsoever except to make the machine usable). Well, they're not completely inconsequential: ``Logout'' will hang the machine when they're stopped, so I don't do that. Version 7 had a ``shutdown'' command and it seems to work with Redhat too (perhaps they just haven't gotten around to breaking ``shutdown'' yet). On Version 7, I could get a clue about ``eggcups'' with ``man eggcups.'' I know Mr. Stallman wouldn't approve of that, but ``info eggcups'' doesn't work either. ``eggcups --help'' does have some effect: it tells me, for example, to type ``--oaf-activate-iid=IID'' if I'm interested in ``Bonobo activation Support.'' Hunh? Earth to Redhat: I was (vaguely) curious about eggcups; the ``--help'' option explains zero but throws more meaningless brand-names at me! If some kind soul answers my message, please don't tell me what, if anything, eggcups and magicdev do -- I'm afraid my curiosity has waned -- but do clue me in why there's no ``info'' or ``man'' for these programs, though they start up by default. I'd also be curious to see the summary of Redhat's internal debate, where they decided their customers needed to run, by default, programs with no apparent purpose except to slow down the machine. Obviously Redhat would do a much better job of emulating Version 7 if I stopped running in a windows environment. I'd probably have adopted that solution by now if I was 30 years younger, but with age one appreciates comfort. I *do* recommend that some of today's youngsters try Version 7 sometime. Better yet, please try to explain to me why the world is so happy to embrace MS-Windows, the undocumented eggcups, and all the rest of this CR*P. Sam .