Subj : Re: GNU Public Licences Revisited (again) To : comp.programming From : Joe Butler Date : Mon Sep 26 2005 06:49 pm "Willem" wrote in message news:slrndjg3sb.e0b.willem@toad.stack.nl... > Joe wrote: > ) There's a effect where chimpanzies will make a "I've found food!" > ) exclamation when they find food - nearby chimps will hear this and come to > ) the location of the food. Now, for the _individual_ chimp that found the > ) food, it is invariably better if that chimp could eat as much of the food as > ) it wanted before calling out - but it's an inbuilt behaviour that the chimp > ) cannot control. Naturalists have observed chimps putting their hands over > ) their mouths when they cry out. I.e. there is a conflict in the chimps > ) brain when it finds food: inbuilt behaviours that have evolved naturally > ) and have given the chimp species a particular advantage, over the wants of > ) an individual from that species. > ) > ) So, to consider what is better for the buyer alone is to ignore a bigger > ) picture. > > Well then, could you make a case why closed source is better in the bigger > picture ? If closed source were no good, it would have died out. A lot of free open source persists, simply because it is free. Of course, some of it persists because it is better than the dominant closed source alternative. > > Besides the fact that 'locking in' your buyers is good for a vendor ? At this point, we haven't yet established if 'locking in' isn't a myth persisted by the OSS 'community'. > > Monopolies are also good for the vendors, but it is widely accepted that > it is not good for the big picture. Closed Source could just as well be > argued to not be good for the big picture. Monopolies. Where did that come from? > > Here's a random argument: Open Source Software means that the vendor has > to deliver quality support, because otherwise other companies would step > in and deliver better support. This means that the overall quality of > support will be better, which is a good thing. What I can never understand about this argument is that if the product was any good, you wouldn't be able to make any money out of support, period - because the user would not have any reason to want support. I guess also, it's a weird concept: Let's not make any money out of the product itself, let's make money out of _supporting_ the product - we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot here, but if we provide the _best_ support, we can have a monopoly on the _support_, not on the _product_. > (This is the old 'competition is good, monopoly is bad' argument.) > > So, why is Closed Source better for the 'Big Picture' than Open Source ? Closed source has evolved and survived (so far). It has been able to sustain itself. Open source (with the GNU licence) seeks to change the 'eco-system' in a forced, unatural way. It's 'unatural', because it wants to compete in the eco-system, but on its own terms (i.e. it doesn't say, "Anyone at all can use this source - even if you make your customers pay for it - after all, it is OPEN source.", it says, "Only entities in the eco-system that won't eat can play") - in the evolutionary model, if open source was viable, free open source software would survive even if there were payed-for alternatives of the very same open source product. The problem for open source is that most payed-for software is far more user friendly than free software and this divide is only increasing. .