Subj : Re: Doc/noDoc? (was: CV, work-history, 91C, CompSci?, Applet? ...) To : comp.programming,comp.software-eng From : Chris Hills Date : Thu Sep 15 2005 07:16 pm In article , Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t writes >> From: Chris Hills >> There are vast numbers of jobs that just require an adult with the >> basic skills of life. > >I wonder if you realize that statement is loaded, that it's >discriminatory against anyone who is "disabled", What CRAP. I did not say or imply that. The "basic skills of life" are just that to be able to mix in society and communicate with ones fellows. Disabilities may mean modifying what you can do. You don't get a blind person to direct traffic or a wheelchair bound person to work as a steeple jack but there are many jobs that don't require formal qualifications. However I expect you will use it as an excuse for a L_O_N_G Irrelevant rant and as an excuse as to why you haven't worked in 14 years. >I don't know what country you're in, but here in the USA it is illegal >to discriminate against a person just because they suffer a disabling >condition, providing that the actual job can be done in some way, Then you have absolutely no excuse for being out of work for 14 years! >So in that light, would you please define what you mean by "the basic >skills of life" read, write, add up usually but this is not required for some jobs. Driving license helps often but usually just to be able to get on with one's fellow man and aware of one's surroundings. . >(Note that I've >suffered a spinal disk since I was about 30. Lifting a 40-pound object >just once causes severe distress/pain/collapse, and lifting 30-pound >objects repeatedly during a workday would likewise be impossible or >dangerous, and sometimes I have difficulty standing at all.) And then >would you revise your remark about "vast numbers of jobs ...". Then don't do a lifting job. Any excuse you can find isn't it? >> Then as has been stated several times here the problem is likely to >> be your social skills. > >And none of those people, including you, has ever met me in person, so >none of them/you has any basis for judging my social skills. Neither have I met Wordsworth, Shakspeare, Shelly, Keats etc. I am basing it on your attitude and discourses here. If you were teleworking much of your communication would be by email. Actually in large companies much inter office "chat2 is by email. >> I have NEVER done a shrink wrapped product in my life. > >Then I'm curious how you got your present job, given that most ads for >computer programming jobs nowadays require that kind of experience. > >Some ads nowadays say "must have shipped a commercial software >product", which doesn't say specifically that the commercial product >was shrink wrapped, Exactly. > but usually software is in fact shrink-wrapped when >it's shipped. some of mine could be (the smart cards) but most could not. Unless you shrink wrap a car, missile, boat or industrial control systems. > So I have to ask you, did you ever ship a commercial >software product, Yes. > and if so then how was it shipped if not shrink >wrapped? (This is an honest question. I'd like to know. Not rhetorical.) Embedded in something else. other stuff was a one off. In any event the standards were the same. >> The problem the industry has moved on where you have not. > >That's not true. Since I became unemployed I've "moved on" too, >teaching myself seven new software technologies and taking classes to >learn four more, in addition to using various software technologies to >develop software in several new application areas I hadn't tried >before. OK you have attend the classes but your mind has not moved on. That is evident by the way you have conducted yourself here. >> >> The answer is to get out there and do something. >> >If you mean go to some company, walk in the door, and start working, >> >without permission of anyone at that company, that's a crime: >> >Trespassing. >> No I did not mean that. > >Well then please tell me what exactly you *did* mean by that phrase >"get out there and do something" which is something you believe I >haven't been doing yet something I am capable of doing all by myself. >Specifically where is "there" that you refer to, and what specifically >is the "something" that I should be doing there? You would not understand the answer. Which is why you have not been working for 14 years. Incidentally I have placed a contractor in a job this week as a service to one of my customers. I would not send you to any of my customers. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ .