Subj : Re: compensation matrix, salary, pay, income To : comp.programming From : dominic.connor Date : Tue Sep 13 2005 06:37 am I think your experience is how things were, not how they are now. Most firms like to keep salaries secret, which in my opinion is a mistake, but I'm only a pimp. The way things are now, your salary some function of what you can get somewhere else. We mostly get people for banks, and they like to "negotiate" salaries individually. It is not uncommon when we talk on the phone to use binary search when we need to ask the salary, since the manager will not want anyone to hear. The net result is drift then jump. Whilst in a job your pay will typically drift down relative to the market, and then when you get an offer to move will be up. Some companies have an implicit policy of waiting until useful people say they're leaving before doing anything about money. DominiConnor, Finance Headhunter .