Subj : Re: CV, work-history, 91C, CompSci?, Applet? (was: Software Job Ma...) To : comp.programming,comp.software-eng From : Chris Hills Date : Mon Sep 05 2005 09:55 pm In article , Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t writes >Before I get started responding to your personal attack against me, You miss interpret help for an attack then it is no wonder you are still out of work. >why >are you discussing my personal SeekJob situation here on these >newsgroups, instead of in the specialized forum that was set up more >than four years ago for this specific topic? > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/helprobertmaasfindemployment/ >Because you're not a member of that forum, responding here in these >newsgroups is my only avenue for response, sigh. > >> From: Chris Hills >> As Duane said nothing in you [sic] resume is in any standard format. > >Please take a look at: > http://www.quintcareers.com/resume_mistakes.html > Most resumes created from a Microsoft Word template are instantly > recognizable to employers as such. There's nothing wrong with that > except that employers have seen a million of them, so they don't stand > out. >Now please explain why I should put my resume in a standard format? A standard file format is not the same as using a template. I use word but I don't use the standard templates. When I use a template it si one of my own. So don't use MS Word Resume Template 1 (or 2,3,4...) but DO use Word to produce the document or PDF which is generally more portable. The use of plain text simply says you can not use the current standard tools of your profession. To intentionally not use the tools also marks you out as "strange" and people don't like "strange" on the work force. >> He mentioned the references. > >I'm not sure what you mean there: >- References are names of people who know me personally and are well > acquainted with my recent work. >- I don't know the correct term for list of citations for published papers. >I recall recent discussion of the latter, but not the former. >Regarding the latter, see: There are standard ways of laying out references. Look in any book, technical paper etc. Not knowing indicates, as with not using current standard formats that you are not "current" with industry norms. >> >I'm looking for >> >a job in commercial software, not in literature, and not a tenured >> >faculty position where publishing is an important qualification. >> There seem to be a LOT of things you don't do. > >There are a LOT of things virtually anyone would not do. No... with the inducement of money or fame there is very little a LOT of people won't do. See TV most nights of the week. :-( What a sad world we are becoming. >A vast >majority of people would not even attempt to write computer software, >even if offered money for writing a successful (working) program. So. >A >vast majority of people aren't willing to even try learning how, even >if offered free instruction. It depends who offers the free instruction. > I bet you haven't volunteered to go to >Iraq and fight Bush's war, correct? Did do the first two times but not in the current one. Well not Bush's war I was in the UK forces. >I wonder if you'd be willing to >sell illegal drugs to pre-teens, if you realized how much money you >could make that way? I wouldn't do that, would you? Totally irrelevant. But interesting.... see the scene in the big wheel in the third man film. How many dots would you remove for 50K time? MANY would, and do sell drugs (most don't care who to) >I don't have the kind of skills whereby anyone in their right mind >would offer me money to write literature or for me to hold a tenured >faculty position, so I don't do extra effort to seek such a position, >because any such effort would be totally wasted. It has taken all my >energy, and drained me to exhaustion, just to seek a type of position >for which I am qualified. You seem to be trying to cajole me into >wasting my energy desperately seeking other kinds of jobs for which I >have no qualifications and couldn't do a decent job at all. I'm not one >of those stereotyped teenage go-along-with-crowd types of people, you >need to realize. You seem to have missed the point. You are NOT seeking work for which you are qualified if you do not have basic literacy and numeracy for writing reports, designs, requirements specifications, resumes etc. using standard tools like word. Someone who can not use their mother language is not likely to be trusted working in another language. >You can make a lot more money in professional sports than in computer >software. Would you spend all your energy trying to get into that line >of work, even though you know you're not qualified? You castigate me >for not actively trying to get into an inappropriate line of work, but >what if you apply the same logic to yourself? you are rambling. >> However you do like producing makjor[sic] works for answers where a >> line would do. > >There are so many different interpretations of and ramifications to the >vague questions you folks are asking me. It's difficult to guess what >very brief answer would be appropriate. Then you appear to be out of synch with your peers. >> Why have you been unemployed for 10 years? > >Because was unemployed ten years ago, and nobody changed that status >quo by hiring me since then. why has no one hired you in that decade? What work did you go for and (if known) why didn't you get it? >> Try a change of career. > >I'm already doing that. to what? > >> May employ on a trial 3 months to see if you can do what you say. > >Please supply details of your proposal for me to consider. There was no proposal. You seem to have trouble with comprehension of English. You need to address that or you are not going to get any work. > >> If you [sic] work is wring [sic] SW and nothing else you will be an >> entry level programmer. > >Writing software, as I use the term, you need to term what everyone else means by the term > includes designing the data >structures and algorithms to be used, then writing code and performing >unit-testing sounds good > and writing in-sourcefile technical documentation Not good. What about the requirements spec, design notes etc (in a standard format which is NOT ASCII) send me a word or pdf of something you have done. > in >parallel. oh dear... > If you have such an entry-level position to offer me, please >supply details for me to consider. I think you have been asked to supply a resume in a standard file format first. If your resume, in a format the job supplier requires, meets the requirements I am sure they will then send you the proposal. >> which I suspect is not a job you want or will fit into. > >You have a stupid attitude, just like that person who interviewed me >for the position writing CAD/Lisp software for one-of-a-kind test >vacuum chambers, who kept remarking how the job would be boring, and >then he just assumed I wouldn't want the job and never even offered it >to me, even though I had expressed an interest in it, and I would have >accepted it if offered. It sounds like he was trying to dissuade you from the job. Why? If you can work that out you are half way there. > Please change your attitude and offer me the >job, but first send me details... Think about it. EVERYONE in this thread has offered advice and most of it is to change your attitude. Think about that. All these people are working (and some hiring). You have not been in a job for a decade. Perhaps, just perhaps you may need to change your attitude. BTW I did not write half the things you seem to have attributed to me at the top. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ .