Subj : Resume (buzzwords, links), Lisp jobs? (was: Resume questions, ...) To : comp.programming,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.lisp From : rem642b Date : Sat Sep 03 2005 06:41 pm > From: "Shiro Kawai" > > Do you want more examples of my software solving real-world problems > > (college payroll, college class assignments, for example), or have I > > made my point with those first two? > Actually, these are far more interesting than a resume filled with > buzzwords, at least for me. But if you were trying to fill a job at your company, you'd never see my interesting resume, because you'd be required to file your job opening with HR, which would hire an outside agency to screen tens of thousands of resumes down to just ten or twenty, and my resume wouldn't have the right buzzwords so it'd never get from agency to HR much less to you personally. > These are too detailed to be in resume, > but you may be able to make a link from each item under > 'MAJOR PROGRAMMING PROJECTS' in your online resume to a document > that fully explains what you did. Ay, there's the rub! The agency wouldn't see any of those links, and if the Sahara froze over and the agency passed my resume to HR it wouldn't see links either, and you upon getting the printed resume from HR wouldn't see them either. Should I list somewhere in the printed resume where the online version with links is located (URL)? Should I put square brackets around all the terms in the printed resume which corresponding to HREFs in the online resume, so the person seeing the printed resume would know whether the term he/she is interested in has a link, hence whether it'd be worth the effort to look at the online version? I'm also thinking that the printed and online resume should look exactly the same, as much as is possible knowing that the prited resume is in one format whereas the online resume looks slightly different depending on which browser was used. This is so that somebody who has already gotten the printed resume, and marked all the places where he/she wants to see the extra info, can then go online and see almost exactly the same layout on-screen and therefore have no trouble finding those same links and clicking on them. Agree? So maybe what I should do is make a HTML resume, and then use lynx's print command to make a text file containing what is on-screen (whole page, not just 20-line window thereof), and then that lynx-printed image would be the printed resume I send to people offline. (And of course I wouldn't have to maintain two separate resumes, just one HTML and then re-do the lynx-print any time I need to make the printed resume match the online resume.) The main problem with that idea is that when I'm not online and I want to edit my resume, currently I just go to my Mac and open the resume file and edit locally, but under the new method I would have no way to view the resume I've edited locally except to upload to my unix shell account and then run lynx to view just one screen of it at a time, then lynx-print then download back to my Mac to see the whole of my resume with what I had changed, royal hassle just to make a tiny change!! > Being an all-around player actually put you in a difficult position. > Job market is not for such person. It may seem unreasonable that, > if one candidate can do everything so well, and another can do > just one thing so-so, and the company tends to hire the latter > when the one thing fits the job description. What do you think of "playing dumb" on each customized resume, by filling more than half the resume with just those particular things I did specifically related to the current job ad, and condensing everything else to an afterthought of no apparent significance? Or more drastic: deleting *all* experience not closely related to the job, flushing *all* my major accomplishments or anything else impressive, because it's counter-productive when applying for any specific job in a different area? > Jobs that require high skills are often filled by personal > referrals. Nobody has offered me any such referrals since I got laid off from Stanford. Previously, somebody I was working for at Stanford would hear of another department that could use me as soon as the current project was over, or the same department would tell me about a new project in the same department that could overlap slightly with the tail end of my current project. But when Stanford ran out of any money to hire me any more, and the place I used to work was closed down due to founder retiring, there was nobody remaining to tell me about any jobs and no money for any such jobs in the first place. So how does such an enemployed person ever hope to get back into that personal-referral game?? > I have been asked to find a good Lisp programmer, or even I myself > have looked for one to subcontract my own project. If this occurred any time since mid-1992, why didn't you find me?? Have you been blind to the several times I posted my Lisp resume online or mentionned that I had 10+ years Lisp experience and was looking for employment doing same but now for industry instead of university? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/623610bb8dd35943 Message-ID: <7152@public.BTR.COM> (1992.Jun, asking about industry Lisp job) http://groups.google.com/group/ba.jobs.misc/msg/924ff4f7ff612059 Message-ID: <8163@public.BTR.COM> (1992.Oct, discussion mentions lisp resume) http://groups.google.com/group/ba.jobs.resumes/msg/b251811c5fd5c948 Message-ID: <723047$4cu$1@supernews.com>#1/1 (1998, general resume mentions lisp) http://groups.google.com/group/misc.jobs.resumes/msg/0d1bcbe92ff280fa Message-ID: <76llmr$1d7$1@remarQ.com> (1999, Lisp-specific resume) http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/662ae71b1e28748d Message-ID: (1999, Lisp-specific resume) http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/a25c5d5ca184628b Message-ID: (2003, Lisp-specific resume) .