Subj : Re: CV, work-history, 91C, CompSci?, Applet? (was: Software Job Ma...) To : comp.programming,comp.software-eng From : rem642b Date : Sat Sep 03 2005 01:56 pm Before I get started responding to your personal attack against me, why are you discussing my personal SeekJob situation here on these newsgroups, instead of in the specialized forum that was set up more than four years ago for this specific topic? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/helprobertmaasfindemployment/ Because you're not a member of that forum, responding here in these newsgroups is my only avenue for response, sigh. > From: Chris Hills > As Duane said nothing in you [sic] resume is in any standard format. Please take a look at: http://www.quintcareers.com/resume_mistakes.html Most resumes created from a Microsoft Word template are instantly recognizable to employers as such. There's nothing wrong with that except that employers have seen a million of them, so they don't stand out. The employer immediately senses a certain lack of imagination in the job-seeker. These templates are also somewhat inflexible and contain problematic formatting. "Using a template or any kind of boilerplate to demonstrate your value to a company is the worst thing you can do to yourself when job hunting," Now please explain why I should put my resume in a standard format? > He mentioned the references. I'm not sure what you mean there: - References are names of people who know me personally and are well acquainted with my recent work. - I don't know the correct term for list of citations for published papers. I recall recent discussion of the latter, but not the former. Regarding the latter, see: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.programming/msg/915b2c26a5a07fb0 Message-ID: (skip to 1978 to find the relevant part) > >I'm looking for > >a job in commercial software, not in literature, and not a tenured > >faculty position where publishing is an important qualification. > There seem to be a LOT of things you don't do. There are a LOT of things virtually anyone would not do. A vast majority of people would not even attempt to write computer software, even if offered money for writing a successful (working) program. A vast majority of people aren't willing to even try learning how, even if offered free instruction. I bet you haven't volunteered to go to Iraq and fight Bush's war, correct? I wonder if you'd be willing to sell illegal drugs to pre-teens, if you realized how much money you could make that way? I wouldn't do that, would you? I don't have the kind of skills whereby anyone in their right mind would offer me money to write literature or for me to hold a tenured faculty position, so I don't do extra effort to seek such a position, because any such effort would be totally wasted. It has taken all my energy, and drained me to exhaustion, just to seek a type of position for which I am qualified. You seem to be trying to cajole me into wasting my energy desperately seeking other kinds of jobs for which I have no qualifications and couldn't do a decent job at all. I'm not one of those stereotyped teenage go-along-with-crowd types of people, you need to realize. You can make a lot more money in professional sports than in computer software. Would you spend all your energy trying to get into that line of work, even though you know you're not qualified? You castigate me for not actively trying to get into an inappropriate line of work, but what if you apply the same logic to yourself? > However you do like producing makjor[sic] works for answers where a > line would do. There are so many different interpretations of and ramifications to the vague questions you folks are asking me. It's difficult to guess what very brief answer would be appropriate. > Why have you been unemployed for 10 years? Because was unemployed ten years ago, and nobody changed that status quo by hiring me since then. > Try a change of career. I'm already doing that. > May employ on a trial 3 months to see if you can do what you say. Please supply details of your proposal for me to consider. > If you [sic] work is wring [sic] SW and nothing else you will be an > entry level programmer. Writing software, as I use the term, includes designing the data structures and algorithms to be used, then writing code and performing unit-testing and writing in-sourcefile technical documentation in parallel. If you have such an entry-level position to offer me, please supply details for me to consider. > which I suspect is not a job you want or will fit into. You have a stupid attitude, just like that person who interviewed me for the position writing CAD/Lisp software for one-of-a-kind test vacuum chambers, who kept remarking how the job would be boring, and then he just assumed I wouldn't want the job and never even offered it to me, even though I had expressed an interest in it, and I would have accepted it if offered. Please change your attitude and offer me the job, but first send me details... .