Subj : Look40/whichOne?/citeFormat? (was: Resume questions, how convey...) To : comp.programming From : rem642b Date : Sun Aug 28 2005 11:46 pm > From: Duane Bozarth > How are they not going to find out you're 60 when you show up for the > interview, anyway? In recent years, several people have told me I look about 35-40. So if they take one look at me and conclude I'm about 40, just as they expected from my resume showing 10-20 years of software work, what's the problem? > I'll repeat yet one more time--you need and should have only > (1) current resume and get rid of and destroy any link > to everything else ! Which of my five attempts at a general resume is the one (1) and only resume I should point to? http://members.tripod.com/~MaasInfo/SeekJob/Resume.91C.txt (skills, accomplishments) http://members.tripod.com/~MaasInfo/SeekJob/Resume.928.txt (skills, paid-work) http://members.tripod.com/~MaasInfo/SeekJob/Resume.942.txt (variety-of-skills, flexibility) http://members.tripod.com/~MaasInfo/SeekJob/Resume.98B.txt (education/honors, paid-work, skills) http://groups.google.com/group/ba.jobs.resumes/msg/476bbe09aa01dd20?dmode=source http://groups.google.com/group/comp.programming/msg/23d8640d0889b626?dmode=source (education/honors, skills, projects, demos) What about that one best resume makes it best, the particular sequence of sections chosen for overall layout, or the contents of particular sections regardless of their position within sequence? And if I, at this time, don't show you all my five attempts, how can you compare different approaches and advise me which of the five you like best and how to merge the best parts of different attempts into one better-than-ever resume, so that in the near future I'll indeed have one best resume to show off? > Drop the puffery portion and unnecessary parenthetical phrase. > Something like > HONORS AND AWARDS > - Top five William Lowell Putnam mathematics competition for > undergraduates I don't like the way it almost fits on one line but then spills one word to the next line. Can it be condensed down to exactly one line? How about if I just remove the "for undergraduates" part? Regarding published papers about my work: > That's in a resume--that's what a resume is--documentable > performance and credentials. These accomplishments (if they are > legitimate and I don't doubt you at least worked on the research which > led to some papers) are almost the real credentials you have to > sell yourself with. I thought published papers were of critical importance only when applying for academic positions, where research that didn't produce anything useful but which did result in a published research report, was important, and there is no need to ever do anything actually useful? I thought for commercial software jobs, it was more important to tell about useful software rather than published research reports? So here are the citations from various sources on the net (thanks to Patricia for finding the one I couldn't find myself, thereby giving me the extra info I needed to then find it myself to confirm her finding): (1978) Magnetic relaxation analysis of dynamic processes in macromolecules in the pico- to microsecond range Biophys J. 1978 Oct;24(1):103-17 Biophysical Journal, Vol 24, 103-117 (1984) A note on discourse with an instructable robot. Theoretical Linguistics, 11, 5-20. (1985) Natural-language interface for an instructable robot. International Journal of Man-Machine Studies, 22, 215-240. (1995) Computer-based advanced placement calculus for gifted students. Instructional Science, 22, 339-362. The citations aren't all in the same format. Which format is best in a resume? > go the public library and the employment offices of your local uni's > and get examples of well-written resumes PRECISELY> on sections and format and mirror content... I already tried that approach. It's equivalent not to just shooting myself in the foot but shooting my self in the head, emphasizing how I've been unemployed more than 12 years, and showing nothing whatsoever good that would compensate for that, and making it look like I've done nothing whatsoever useful since 1991. Those standard resume formats are just fine for people who have never been unemployed, and in fact are currently employed, but useless for my kind of situation. If you want, I'll post my attempt at doing exactly what you said, and show you how utterly fucking horrible it is. > one can't have >20 years experience and not be >40 years old. So if a person started programming at age 16, and has done it for 20 years, that makes the person how old by your calculation? Actually I started programming (on actual computers, writing software in support of my undergraduate research project) towards the end of my Freshman year in college, when I was 19 years old. It was about two years later, when I was a junior in college, when Leroy Hetland, the supervisor of our computer lab, decided I was doing so well he'd ask me to write the pre-registration (class-assignment) and payroll (including various withholding and taxes) programs, the first pre-registration at SCU ever except trying to do it by hand, and the payroll program replacing IBM 407 plugboards that were a pain to change each year when the tax laws changed and those mechanical relays made too many mistakes or got jammed etc. I forget which of those two paid tasks came first. .