Subj : Re: CV, work-history, 91C, CompSci?, Applet? (was: Software Job Ma...) To : comp.programming,comp.software-eng From : Chris Hills Date : Wed Aug 24 2005 08:34 pm In article , Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t writes >> From: Duane Bozarth >> > I had major works in 1963-66 (but that was math, not software), >> > 1970-71, 1975-76, 1978, 1986-91, 1991-95, and 2001-04. >> > I don't think it's possible to twist that to match your spec. >> But nothing I've seen is in a standard resume format of Author(s), >> Article Title, Journal_Name_Published_In, Page, Vol_No, Yr. > >My experience is in computer software, not literature. This has nothing to do with literature. As Duane said nothing in you resume is in any standard format. He mentioned the references. You can see standard forms on any technical paper, magazine article etc... you do read technical papers and technical magazines? Either way it is a negative point against you. >I'm looking for >a job in commercial software, not in literature, and not a tenured >faculty position where publishing is an important qualification. There seem to be a LOT of things you don't do. I doubt you would fit in here..... > When I >use the word "major works" I'm referring to large computer software >systems, works of software, not published works of literature. Let me >check what the earlier poster said, to see where you might have gotten >the mistaken idea that he or I was talking about literature instead of >software ... > > If I want a senior, I will look for >8 years from early > > projects to major works. >In the context of software accomplishments over a long career, I don't >see how that earlier poster could have used the phrase "major works" to >mean published literature in journals instead of major software >projects, nor how you could think that he meant that, especially when >the passage you quoted explictly said the first major work was math and >the rest of the major works were software. Hmmmm.. pedant. However you do like producing makjor works for answers where a line would do. >> W/O the actual citation, "published" work isn't anything and is >> probably more detrimental than helpful as it looks like an attempt to >> make some sort of credential out of thin air. > >You're talking about something else now, not the software works (and >one mathematical work) I was describing there. I've had only one joint >paper published (instructable robot), one abstract published singly >(differential algebra), and AFAIK at least one paper where I wasn't a >party to the paper itself even though I did software work contributing >to the researcher's result in the paper (NMR relaxation&NOE). I was >told that since I did the major software work and wrote a description >of my work which was supposed to be included in the full text of the >published article, my name would be included in the list of authors, >and I was promised a preprint of the NMR paper, but they never gave me >one, and I was never even told where it got published. Let me check if >Google has it indexed ... Hmm, Google has only one match for "jardetzky >stanford maas", but it's PDF, which I can't see here over VT100 dialup, >and both the HTML and TEXT versions of it are empty. I don't know the >name of the abstract service, analagous to "Mathematical Reviews", for >NMR. What is the link I can't find it. >> If it's there to be found and some can see it, it isn't moot. How is >> someone who finds it and doesn't know it from the 20 others floating >> around to know it isn't your best effort? > >Actually every one of my resumes has gotten the same review, horrible, >so they are all equal if judged by the critiques I've gotten. Not one >of them is rated any better than any other. So in fact each one is >equally one of my best efforts. If and when I get some kind of >significant feedback You have had a lot of that in this thread. >Poll for everyone: Now that I've been unemployed more than ten years, >should I include my reverse chronological list of work history in my >resume or not? If I include it, should I include only paid positions, >or also include any major unpaid work I've done while unemployed? >Should I include it at the start of the resume, or at the end, or >somewhere in the middle? Why have you been unemployed for 10 years? >> I reiterate my previous suggestion--get rid of everything for the time >> being and get a single, well-formatted conventional resume completed and >> post it and only it. > >OK, I'll manage the files like this: Tripod is an FTP login away, no >way to edit in place, so I'll keep my old list of all resumes there, >just for your reference when you're helping me construct a new better >resume. I'll put the new better attempt on my shell account where I can >edit in place and always have the latest version for display instead of >an old version several months or years obsolete because I haven't >gotten around to updating the FTP site yet. My active new resume we're >working on will be linked from my uh3t URL. Here's what's there right now: > http://tinyurl.com/uh3t > * Looking for employment > * WAP login form > Contact me > Services for desktop/laptop Web-browser > No longer supporting WAP/CellPhone pages. >and if you click on "Looking for employment" you get just a single >resume, the 1998.Nov resume, which is the most recent ASCII version on >the Tripod site: > http://members.tripod.com/~MaasInfo/SeekJob/Resume.98B.txt >You don't like that resume?? What exactly is wrong with it? >It has my paid work experience in the middle, a compromise between >putting it at the end where it looks like I'm hiding it, and putting it >at the very top where it shoots me in the foot before the reader has >seen anything else to interest him/her. Try a change of career. Or get a PC (it does not have to be new or very powerful) and do a decent web site using a bit of colour etc and at least you will be able to re-join the modern computer industry. You need to be able to read PDF as virtually everyone's data sheets, manuals papers etc are in PDF. >> the fact that no one here thinks your current ones are good examples >> should be sufficient to get you motivated to go find sources of others >> to try to model. > >I've never seen any sample of a resume suitable for somebody who has >been unemployed more than two years, Hmmmmm start with addressing why you have been unemployed for a decade. Never mind the CV . When you have found why you have not been employed for so long then you will have a fighting chance of doing a better CV >> you list many areas of knowledge but no concrete work experience >> where any of these topics have been put to use for an end purpose... > >Take a look at that list of accomplishments I posted: > http://members.tripod.com/~MaasInfo/SeekJob/ResApp.00C-Acc.txt >and tell me which of those items should be included in the new resume. >I would include them all, but they won't all fit on one page. > >By the way, if I ever get past the resume stage, to where I get an >actual interview, I'll need to supply references, people who know me >personally and are familiar with my recent work. Possibly not. May employ on a trial 3 months to see if you can do what you say. No one has references from some one who will say anything bad about them so most places don't bother. >Is there anybody >reading this thread who would be willing to look at my recent work and >give me feedback on it? (My work at software! Not my work at writing >resumes!) If you work is wring SW and nothing else you will be an entry level programmer. which I suspect is not a job you want or will fit into. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ .