Subj : Re: Polymorphism sucks [Was: Paradigms which way to go?] To : comp.programming,comp.object From : Chris Sonnack Date : Fri Aug 19 2005 02:43 pm Mark Nicholls writes: > That was really my point about the god discussion, science is limited > by maths, and that is limited, belief needs to be consistent with the > maths, but can live in the gaps. I have a slightly different (but similar) view. I see reality as having a Yin/Yang aspect (and dualism exists in so many areas). In this case, one half is "knowledge"--the things we "prove" with math and science-- and the other half is (take your pick) irrational/intuitive/faith based. Both sides, knowledge and belief, are quite powerful. People do amazing things (good and bad) because of belief, and there's even stories of those that overcome illness through........well, no one knows! Maybe it's as simple as believing--not IN something, just believing, that brings to the fore our own inate powers. Maybe it turns out people need to have belief in *something* as much as they have a need to *know* things ("need to" == "get big benefit from"). [shrug] Whatever, anyway, it may not be in the "gaps" so much as just on the other side of the same coin, was my point. > Goedel would imply that the set of axioms required for the system to be > complete is unbounded, if the states of our brains are finite, then we > cannot 'know' everything. Consider the inherent difficulty of knowing your own brain. Knowing your thinking requires meta-thinking. But that's part of your brain, too, so to know your brain, you need to meta-meta-think, but..... > so it is reasonable to believe in god > it is reasonable to not believe in god > it is irrational to assert that you know the answer...... Indeed! If belief/faith plays the role I think it may in human minds, then by definition, knowing is out of the question. -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| .