Subj : Re: Software Job Market Myths
To   : comp.programming,comp.software-eng
From : Chris Hills
Date : Tue Aug 16 2005 05:34 pm

In article <K8fMe.1654$r54.1500@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, Phlip
<phlipcpp@yahoo.com> writes
>Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t wrote:
>
>>> I have looked at your CV
>>
>> I don't have a CV (curriculum vitae), so what did you actually look at?
>
>Your capacity for obstinance is breathtaking.
>
>Everyone knows brits use "CV" to casually mean "resume". Did you actually 
>not know that? or are you intentionally irritating Chris, who is trying to 
>help you, for no reason?

I will not comment any more on this it seems pointless.

>>> It gives no idea of age, qualifications companies worked for etc.
>>
>> It's against the law for you to expect me to tell you my age in order
>> to qualify for a job.
>
>He meant seniority. If I want a senior, I will look for >8 years from early 
>projects to major works. Everyone here has pointed out both the USA laws and 
>the actual customs, and has alluded (or said) he meant seniority. But do 
>feel free to bust on him again instead of understand what he _meant_.


Partly seniority but I also did mean age. Due to the "wonderful" nature
of the layout and the resume I missed bits. All I saw was 5 years worth
of stuff.  I did not know if he is 25 or 55

With the rest of it dating back to the early 70's I can get a full
picture and I don't need the age. I can get a reasonably good picture.  

However age is important. You don't usually put a 55 year old in a team
of 25 year olds with a 30 year old team leader.  (ask any parent of
students)

Political correctness is one thing but human group dynamics for a
productive team are something different.  


>> I haven't worked for any company for many years, so obviously a
>> description of what I've done **recently** wouldn't include anything so
>> far in the past. If you want to know about when I worked for a company,
>> you need to look at my resume. Did you see the toplevel pointer to my
>> index of eleven resumes?
>>  http://members.tripod.com/~MaasInfo/SeekJob/Resumes.html#Topics
>>
>> Please tell me what you consider to be "qualifications" for employment.
>
>For the love of [pick a deity], why did you write that your resume 91C took 
>"5 months to finish"? Do you want to show off to time-conscious bosses that 
>you are thorough or slow??
>
>Then, why did you say "currently unemployed"? Hasn't anyone told you this is 
>the number one trigger HR looks for when shortening their resume stack?
>
>Why "for self, unfunded"? Who gives a rat's ass? If something was good for 
>you, write about the good things!
>
>About the hirability issue, you seem to have zillions of "computer science" 
>certs, and not much visible "software engineering". I suspect you _have_ 
>them; they are just not in my face. Software Engineering is the process of 
>efficiently _avoiding_ computer science research, while adding value to 
>useful software. I am aware you can nitpick that statement for many pages. 
>Unfortunately for someone as smart as you, incapable of thinking common 
>things, it's what HR _should_ look for. Stuff like "I wrote a cute window 
>with a slider, and linked it to a database." Idiotic stuff that's accessible 
>to a hirer, and helps them think "Ah, you are one of us".
>

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