Subj : Re: Polymorphism sucks [Was: Paradigms which way to go?] To : comp.programming,comp.object From : Chris Sonnack Date : Mon Aug 15 2005 12:35 pm Dmitry A. Kazakov writes: >>>> Multi-state logic is built on binary logic. Learn basic >>>> information theory. It ALL can be broken down to 1s and 0s. >>>> Every, um, BIT of it. >>> >>> No, this is wrong. >> >> (Has anyone informed Shannon?) > > Hmm, was Shannon aware of Hilbert's program? I think he was. > Anyway in the times after Goedel, we know that there is no > way to "break" everything down to 1s and 0s. Are we possibly talking about two different things here? Yes, Goedel showed we can't fully analyse any non-trivial system, but I believe Shannon hasn't been superceded in the sense that anything that *can* be expressed or computed can be expressed or computed in binary. > And even if there were one, neither fuzziness nor randomness > can be expressed in a deterministic system without some > incomputable elements. But they are incomputable by *any* means, right? > The simplest example is: you cannot write a non-pseudo random > generator. Agreed. -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| .