Subj : Re: Industry Calls for More Foreign Programmers To : comp.programming From : spinoza1111 Date : Sun Aug 14 2005 05:00 am Brock Candid wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > spinoza1111@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > Ivan Mascovich wrote: > > > August 12, 2005 03:30 PM US Eastern Timezone > > > > > > > > > AeA Calls for Changes in Immigration Laws for Highly Educated Workers as > > > H-1B Visa Petitions Reach Cap for 2006 > > > > > > > > > WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 12, 2005--AeA, the nation's largest > > > high-tech trade association, today called for reforms in the current > > > immigration laws regarding highly educated workers in reaction to today's > > > announcement by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) > > > that the H-1B Visa Cap has been met for 2006. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Today's announcement by the USCIS further solidifies the fact that we > > > need to take a serious look at immigration reform," said John Palafoutas, > > > AeA's Senior Vice President for Domestic Policy. "America's well-kept > > > secret is that it has rarely produced enough American-born workers with > > > the requisite science and engineering background to support its knowledge > > > economy. Our safety valve has been the H-1B Visa program, which was > > > designed to augment the workforce. The current system is failing its > > > original intentions. > > > > > > > > > "Denying entry of the world's most highly educated talent into the United > > > States is taking its toll. We should be stapling Green Cards to the > > > diplomas of every foreign national who graduates from a U.S. educational > > > institution with a masters or PhD, and we should keep the world's best > > > and brightest here in the U.S. to help strengthen our economy." > > > > This is a great idea, one that would remind the world of what America > > used to be, and one that would CREATE jobs in the USA. > > > > Theodore Roosevelt refused to accept China's reparations for its part > > in the Boxer Rebellion of 1900 and directed instead that it fund a > > scholarship for Chinese students. This is part of what America used to > > be, although it must be said that at the time Teddy Roosevelt made this > > gracious gesture, strict limits were imposed (by the cowardly > > great-grandfathers of today's Know-Nothing anti-immigrant forces) on > > Chinese immigration. > > > > It would create jobs in the USA because for each PhD and Master's > > candidate, an array of similar and support jobs are created in the real > > world. > > > > As it happens, today, because Chinese and Indian students are being > > excluded from study in the USA, the USA is gradually losing its > > pre-eminence in higher education and research. > > > > One first-rate PhD of any nation who decides to stay in the USA would > > attract both companies and people to his location: but today, he is > > being told to stay home. > > > > The very idea that a "job" is a thing, which can be "protected" by > > primitive methods, is neo-mercantilism. > > All this is an interesting phenom. I watched a recent C-SPAN show - > some mucky muck meeting of what appeared to be IT corporate leaders, > and think tankers. It was about 'the state of US workforce,' or > something like that - perhaps someone else saw it, and can remember > more exactly. The grand poo-pah, the one for whom they were all > waiting was the US Secretary of Labor, I think, who came on and > basically talked a bunch of rehearsed mucky muck crap, so boring, I > couldn't watch - which was probably the desired affect. Before that, > there was also some book writer - a law school flunk out - who had > written about how the US job market was turing toward "right brained" > oriented work, and we should all be running away from tech stuff. > Yet, innovation in tech was a supposed theme. Mmm. A contradiction. > I note, given the book writer's background as a failed legal aspirant, > I got the impression they are using "right brained" orientation as > code for, 'creatively screw over everything in sight'. That is, I see > no future in US job market other than that of lying, cheating, > stealing, duplicity, deceit, and such like. > > I laughed my ass off when the moderator guy or whatever recommended > the public library as a job retraining program -- that should look > good on you resume. We've turned the corner folks. We've now entered > the twilight zone, full tilt, with no returns. > > Of course, there's a hidden agenda. I'm just confused on just what it > is. They say there are no US programmers, which I don't believe is > true. They say they want, we need, innovation, but they seek to off > shore, and H1B the programming market to death with cookie cutter > programmers. I make no sense of it. The only thing I can think is > that they want yes men technologists, and are afraid of US born > techies controlling the industry, as I don't think the money > difference between US born, and off shore/h1b is all *that* different. US born techies have never controlled the industry. In fact, in good times, programmers essentially shared the right-wing ideology of their managers. Programmers when employed manifested zero solidarity with other workers and as a result they are today powerless against forces that in the USA have turned against them. I have NO sympathy for US programmers who years ago learned one or two languages without learning computer science and who preferred to call code that used features and approaches with which they were unfamiliar, "Sanskrit". The Sanskrit joke is on them. My belief is that "organizing" today against H1B and offshore is a waste of time. Instead, labor needs One Big Union for All the Workers. Until that time, let the competition rip, I say. > > BC > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: N/A > > iQCVAwUBQv3wK6F0vu+BrKeVAQGhWQP9GjHMWHb2RoS0dyfArh93ivdw00jzzCVT > 5wXqgDBZl9K5mViRC+/MzUppu5umRvbqsRxIRbILpVNgS34BbuSoyCjBCYwQZMoK > Ac6jx+7PIax3RPPatBS36suUH9e238o+rjy4RwqxyriXLZECnI+YZjVgSLCJe0r4 > VLeJvq9wquo= > =B2b/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- .