Subj : Re: programming job market in bay area in US To : comp.programming From : rem642b Date : Fri Aug 12 2005 05:19 pm > From: glhan...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) > Go directly to corporate web sites. Basically every large company > has a recruiting page, and they're hiring programmers and analysts. One problem with that route is that it's a lot of work just to track down a single company's recruiting page only to find what's available only at that one company, which might be nothing. But since you suggested it, I'll give it a try, using Google search to find the company sites unless I already know their domain: 08:36 PDT: > Don't dwell too long on technology companies like IBM and Motorola (but > certainly check them out). Nothing apparent on IBM's home page, tried searching for employment: http://www-1.ibm.com/employment/ You have JavaScript turned off in your browser. To use the IBM Opportunity Marketplace Job Search Web site, JavaScript must be enabled. Dead end. JavaScript isn't available here on VT100 dialup into Unix shell. 08:42 PDT http://www.motorola.com/ This is the Motorola global corporate website. Please choose your country. [United States________] Go Submitting form... Alert!: POST not supported for this URL - ignoring POST data! Unsupported URL scheme! Dead end. 08:47 PDT http://target.com/careers/ [javascript_disabled] Dead end. 08:49 PDT http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/search.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@07602 58341.1123861873@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccijaddfgkkjlihcegecegjdghldgf i.0&vertical=SEARS&keyword=employment&displayTarget=searchresul ts&gobutton.y=0&gobutton.x=0&verticalFullName= Search results for "employment" You have 3 related search results You have 259 results Page: 1 2 3 4 5 > >> (3 screens full of matches broken down by department and type of product within each department, picking one:) Computers & Electronics o Software (7) http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/search.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@07602 58341.1123861873@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccijaddfgkkjlihcegecegjdghldgf i.0&vertical=ELEC&displayTarget=searchresults&cat=Software&keyw ord=employment&verticalFullName= I see 7 ads for products they offer, but not a single mention of employment openings or anything related. Dead end. 08:56 PDT Linkname: Career Website URL: https://pcws.wal-mart.com/cws/seeker.html FRAME: topFrame (has nothing except link back to home page) FRAME: leftFrame (has nothing except bold ")Deploy Solutions") FRAME: CWS (Alert!: Unsupported URL scheme!) Dead end. 09:00 PDT Linkname: Job Opportunities URL: https://www2.usbank.com/jobops/NewJobSearch.do Welcome to the U.S. Bank Job Opportunities search page. To search the database of current job offerings, just follow these simple steps. 1. Select State To select multiple, hold down the or keys. [spacer.gif] 2. Select Job Category To select multiple, hold down the or keys. (Obviously those instructions about selecting multiple are specific to some particular Web browser that isn't the one I'm using. And the instructions are wrong anyway because the menus for state and job category are nothing more than a bunch of checkboxes, where you can check any combination you want on *any* browser without doing anything special.) For state I picked California. For job category I picked both Information Technology and Training, since one of my specialties is computer-assisted training. URL: https://www2.usbank.com/jobops/DisplayPostings.do Post Data: selectedStates=CA&selectedJobs=Information+Technology&selectedJobs=Training The following lists the results of your search. They are sorted first by State, then by City, and finally by Job Title. Click on Job Title for more detail. Sorry, there are currently no job opportunities that match your search. Please modify your search or check again later. 09:09 PDT Linkname: Employment URL: http://www.wellsfargo.com/employment/ Link that you currently have selected Linkname: Find a Job URL: http://www.wellsfargo.com/employment/findajob (clicked on that link, which takes me to:) Linkname: Employment -- Find a Job URL: http://www.wellsfargo.com/employment/findajob Link that you currently have selected Linkname: Find a Job URL: javascript:void(0); Dead end. 09:13 PDT http://jobs.prudential.com/joblist.html Job Category [X] Information Technology Preferred Work Location(s) [X] US-CA-Palo Alto [X] US-CA-San Jose Link that you currently have selected Linkname: Search Method: POST Enctype: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Action: http://jobs.prudential.com/joblist.html?JServSessionIdroot=ldjr 1958h1.JS1 There were no jobs matching this query. 09:19 PDT http://www.thomson.com/ Home | Site Map | About Us | Products & Solutions |Press Room | Investor Relations | Careers | Contact Us (They missed one space between vertical bar and "Press Room", but otherwise they did a fine job of making the menu legible even to lynx users. A couple other companies earlier did likewise but didn't make any tiny mistakes like this so I didn't make any mention of them.) Job Type [Engineering, Software_____________] Location [CA-Silicon Valley/San Jose____________________________] Thomson Market [ALL (or choose below...)______________________________] Thomson Business [ALL (or choose below...)______________________________] Search [search_resultsnum.jpg] [spacer.gif] [spacer.gif] 0 [spacer.gif] Slightly user-unfriendly to text-only browsers, but at least the JPG has a meaningful name and the number of matches is text rather than a visual image, so I can figure out there are no jobs listed in this category. 09:28 PDT Linkname: TI Employment - Employment Home URL: http://www.ti.com/recruit/index.htm?DCMP=TIHomeTracking&HQS=Oth er+OT+home_empbody Link that you currently have selected Linkname: Job Search URL: https://hrprod.ext.ti.com/psprodSSS/jobs.html Clicked on that link, which took me to: REFRESH(1 sec): https://hrprod.ext.ti.com/servlets/iclientservlet/psprodSSS/?cmd=login &page=jobs Clicked on that link, which took me to: REFRESH(900 sec): https://hrprod.ext.ti.com/servlets/iclientservlet/psprodSSS/?cmd=login &page=jobs [topGradientBar.gif] [topPSFTLogoDescender.gif] Login Clicked on that refresh link, which took me to: REFRESH(900 sec): https://hrprod.ext.ti.com/servlets/iclientservlet/psprodSSS/?cmd=login &page=jobs [topGradientBar.gif] [topPSFTLogoDescender.gif] Login I seem to be in an infinite loop. Dead end. 09:34 PDT. Need to take break for a few minutes... Back at 09:47... File that you are currently viewing Linkname: Job Search & Apply URL: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xP LMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4j3MwHJgFjGpvqRqCKO6AJGQYYQIaMgc5iYpTu6KmNLiIi lK0KfMYY-P2O4Pl-P_NxU_aDUvPjQYH1v_QD9gtxQMIgod1QEAEt72WY!/delta /base64xml/L0lJYVEvd05NQUFzQURzQUVBLzRJVUZDQSEhLzZfMF80NjAvZW5f VVM! Link that you currently have selected Linkname: View Job Postings/Apply URL: javascript:window.open('https://hr.3m.com/psp/applican/EXTERNAL _APPLICANT/HRMS/c/ROLE_APPLICANT.ER_APPLICANT_HOME.GBL?NAVSTACK =Clear&languageCd=ENG&country=USA','','location%3dno,menubar%3d no,toolbar%3dno,resizable%3dyes,status%3dyes,scrollbars%3dyes') ;void(0) Dead end. 09:51 PDT http://www.uniteddefense.com/career/location.php?loc=San%20Jose,%20CA Ah, this one actually has some openings: http://www.uniteddefense.com/career/position.php?req=SESB-5UXVC&source=HRJOBS 10+ years in the field of real-time, embedded software-systems development. (I have no such experience at all.) http://www.uniteddefense.com/career/position.php?req=69HRYP9&source=HRJOBS ... real-time embedded applications software. ... Bachelor''s Degree in Computer Engineering, Electrical Engineering or Computer Science with a minimum of 8 years relevant experience (I have no such experience at all.) http://www.uniteddefense.com/career/position.php?req=69HRXB7&source=HRJOBS ... embedded real-time systems. ... Bachelor''s degree in Computer Science, Computer or Electrical Engineering and 9 years experience (I have no such experience at all.) http://www.uniteddefense.com/career/position.php?req=6BCVQV8&source=HRJOBS ... embedded real-time systems. ... ditto http://www.uniteddefense.com/career/position.php?req=6BDQ2D8&source=HRJOBS ... embedded real-time systems. ... ditto All the rest of the jobs likewise. For somebody with a degree in that area plus nine years experience in military embedded real-time systems, a lot of jobs available there, but for anyone else, not worth the time I spent looking. 10:12 PDT https://careers.bankofamerica.com/job_start.asp Category: [All Disciplines________] They don't even have a job category for software or information or anything like that. Dead end. 10:15, I need to get ready to go somewhere, back later... ... 16:15 resuming: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=14767&rsbci=0&fti=0&ti=0&sc=400 No apparent way to get to listing of openings, dead end. 16:17 PDT. That completes the list of companies you suggested. Only a very few corporate Web sites even work, and only one has any job listings in software, and all of those are a field where I have absolutely no experience but they want nine years experience, so this whole exercise was a complete waste of effort. Let me re-phrase something I said at the top of this response: One problem with that route is that most corporate Web sites don't even work with any browser I have access to from here, and the few that do work, have zero job openings for anything I can do well enough to be worth paying me to do it. .