Subj : Re: Software Job Market Myths To : comp.programming,comp.software-eng From : rem642b Date : Wed Jul 27 2005 02:35 am > From: CTips > any good programmer will *start* at $80k+. In our company, Yeah, but is your company hiring at all, or is your offer a moot theoretical exercise in posturing? If your company is hiring, then you should hire. I could sure use $80k+, and I'm worth it if what you say is correct. > The difference between programming and other fields is that the > productivity between a good programmer and an average one is order(s) > of magnitude, ... > Example: A $100k programmer will outproduce 10 $40k programmers. > Therefore its cheaper to hire the best programmers one can find. If you're so smart about evaluating the productivity of other programmers, why don't you test my productivity and post the result here? First you tell me some programming tasks that you feel could be accomplished in appx. one day or two of programming effort, and I give my comment as to how long it'd take me. If we get any such example where the time I claim I would need is less than the time you say a $100k programmer would need, you put me to that task and agree that if I get the task programmed within that time limit you'll arrange for your company to hire me at $100k. You put your money where your mouth is, and I'll put my programming productivity where my mouth is, OK? .