Subj : Re: Are programmers like this in the real world? To : comp.programming From : Matthias Kaeppler Date : Sat Jul 23 2005 02:30 am What kind of people do you expect visiting a programming class? Certainly few computer scientists and/or professional programmers. Those classes are usually held for people who are NOT proficient with programming concepts. They're mostly for people who are studying in other fields than CS (I am studying CS and I haven't even heard of a programming lecture for CS students at our university...). Overall I'd say you shouldn't generalize this experience. A friend of mine (also a CS student) had to work together with a couple of math students for a computer implementation of some numerical algorithm, and he complained that they couldn't even understand the most trivial things in a programming language like loops, etc... For the same project, our math prof provided a couple of classes to ease our task (mostly numerical stuff like LR-decomposition of matrices and such), and boy was his code ugly. He somehow thought it would be a good idea to write everything inside the C++ class bodies. He obviously adopted this "technique" from Java although it has a totally different meaning in C++ to supply a method's implementation in the class body. So you see, stupidity or lack of knowledge isn't specific to a certain kind, be it math or CS students or whoever. Regards, Matthias .