Subj : Re: extreme programming (thoughts)
To   : comp.programming,comp.software.extreme-programming,comp.software-eng
From : Phlip
Date : Fri Jul 22 2005 01:09 am

matt wrote:

> you are incorrect. my message, #10, was a reply to john's, #7. the
> google nav-tree comfirms this.

Not everyone can use nav-trees.

> i prefer not to keep the reply-to text in my replies, its wasted space
> to me.

USENET is a volunteer system that works best with complete, readable posts.
Trim your quotes to not waste space, but leave in just enough context.

(Heck - we are back to simple rules with a profound effect again!)

> > TDD means you write failing tests, write code to pass
> > the tests,
>
> yes, and thats what we're doing; thats what i mean when i say we use
> "NUnit integrated w/ the IDE". we have test classes that we code for
> the different methods, then we run those tests in visual studio -- it
> compiles, builds, tests, reports.
>
> then there are the NUnitASP tests, which arent testing the methods-only
> (as NUnit does), but test thru the web interface. have you used these
> tools?

No, but I know testing thru HTML and HTTP is very hard.

So either way a test takes seconds to return results, right? And you write
failing tests, and check they fail for the correct reason, before writing
passing code, right?

> ..agreed, its a pain in the ass. but we test both, gui testing and
> plain method testing in the IDE.

And then you refactor to resolve duplication, in both the code and tests,
right? So subsequent tests become easier to write?

> ...you do realize im rereferring to ASP.NET, and not "ASP", right? if
> so, then i would strongly disagree with you. while off-topic, asp.net
> (C#) is a very capable web language for building web apps. it's object
> model is nearly identical to that of window's forms, C# is just dandy,
> and the IDE (debugger) is usually pleasant to work with.  in short, it
> does what i want it to and thus does not suck.

If ASP.NET didn't suck, it would be easier to test-first.

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  Phlip
  http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand

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