Subj : Re: extreme programming (thoughts)
To   : comp.programming,comp.software.extreme-programming,comp.software-eng
From : matt
Date : Thu Jul 21 2005 06:01 pm

philip,

you are incorrect. my message, #10, was a reply to john's, #7. the
google nav-tree comfirms this.

i prefer not to keep the reply-to text in my replies, its wasted space
to me.

> TDD means you write failing tests, write code to pass
> the tests,

yes, and thats what we're doing; thats what i mean when i say we use
"NUnit integrated w/ the IDE". we have test classes that we code for
the different methods, then we run those tests in visual studio -- it
compiles, builds, tests, reports.

then there are the NUnitASP tests, which arent testing the methods-only
(as NUnit does), but test thru the web interface. have you used these
tools?


> your biggest problem on this project is the amount of
> crap you must write to test-thru the GUI.

...agreed, its a pain in the ass. but we test both, gui testing and
plain method testing in the IDE.


> So, in conclusion, you have discovered ASP sucks.
> XP just illustrated this for you, so you decided to
> blame XP

....you do realize im rereferring to ASP.NET, and not "ASP", right? if
so, then i would strongly disagree with you. while off-topic, asp.net
(C#) is a very capable web language for building web apps. it's object
model is nearly identical to that of window's forms, C# is just dandy,
and the IDE (debugger) is usually pleasant to work with.  in short, it
does what i want it to and thus does not suck.

so no, that isnt why i have issues w/ xp. thanks tho.


matt

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