Subj : FreeBSD To : Charles Angelich From : Russell Tiedt Date : Fri Nov 30 2001 01:22 pm Hi Charles, RT>> Well, I believe that the labourer is worth his hire, CA> Am familiar with that quote. Good! RT>> and the above save me a great deal of time and expense in RT>> doing exacly what they do to build my own Linux system, RT>> which is what you refer to as an extreme, no way you can RT>> have your cake and eat it, way the cookie crumbles, or if RT>> you prefer it is a case of horse's for courses. CA> I really have no idea what "horse's for courses" means. You don't take a Clydesdale and expect to win any races, nor do you hook a racehorse up to a cart. One suits ione application and the other an entirely different course or application. CA> The people who preassemble computers would save you the time to CA> return hardware that isn't working, yet you prefer to build CA> your own computers? That way I get a computer that does what I want like I want it, not as some ignorant marketing type "thinks" I need, and dictate "how" I should waste my time and energy, earning a living or not. Basically I get the computer I want, not the computer some other asshole thinks I should have, niether does he have the privelege of "earning" any of my hard earned cash. There are enough "Dummies" out there tio support those types. I don't need my computer to add to my frustrations in life, so I get off of my butt and DO something about it. RT>> Two: There are advantages to compiling your own other than RT>> not trusting those who "normaly compile the binaries, there RT>> are a number of "optimizations one can do, which are of RT>> value or might be needed depending on your hardware needs. CA> This would seem to be a grabber for a guy who builds his own CA> computer systems using parts, yet it seems it is not? To put it differently I spec. my own systems. I specify which motherboard I want, what make and size of HDD, how much memory, what make and model of soundcard I want, what videocard and how much memory it has, what make, model, and size monitor I want whether a serial or PS/2 mouse and or keyboard is to be fitted, and any other ancillaries I figure I want or need, I buy these parts, take them home and build my box, and they work to my satisfaction, if a part does not perform to spec. then it gets change for one that does. Why have support for items that you will never ever run wasting resouces, when you don't need them, things like SCSI drivers, AppleTalk network support, ZipDisk support, tape drive support, when you don't own and no intention of ever owning such, as a byproduct you increase you systems responsiveness and stability for very little effort, just recompile your kernel, and you have a system even more suited to the task at hand, unlike some people who throw in everything, including the kitchen sink and trash recycler, not to mention/forget the shoe polisher, and then wonder why it crashes three times a day. RT>> Three: As for availability of source, if that bothers you, RT>> download it and write it to CD-ROM, no hassle. CA> Before there were CD's being made and sold with software the CA> maker did not author there were `users groups' and clubs that CA> would sell softare on disks at cost. Of course before the bloat CA> they FIT on disks. ;-) My first Linux, I downloaded from a BBS long distance +/- 500 km's from my home location. No usergroups. :-( CA> Those groups seem to have vanished once the CD peddlers CA> appeared. Never has been shuch a group with 4-5 hours driving distance of here, so I would not know. Russell --- Msged/NT TE 05 * Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1) .