Subj : Re: unixs on a 386 To : Charles Angelich From : David Drummond Date : Thu Nov 22 2001 10:44 pm Charles 22 Nov 01 08:05, Charles Angelich wrote to David Drummond: DD>> It was the drive that originally came with the machine DD>> (albeit requiring assembly). CA> Reminds me of the Studillac. Studebaker with a Cadillac engine CA> in it. People referred to them as `stock'. DD>>>> The only one of those I've had was a DOS package. NSCA DD>>>> telnet and packet drives. All Linux installs I've done DD>>>> had full workstation capabilities. CA>>> Yes, but we weren't counting how many installs you've CA>>> done. We were discussing installs on normal (not white CA>>> box) 80386's. DD>> Ah so now you're putting limits on the 386? Axactly what DD>> specs am I allowed to use in this 386 based machine whe I DD>> find it to test the Linux install? CA> No, no limits. Find an AT&T WGS and install on that. That isn't a limit? I don't beleive I've ever seen an AT&T computer in this country. DD>>>>>> You want a copy of the CD? CA>>> No. I want some of the people who enjoy insulting my CA>>> intelligence to either prove they are right or admit they CA>>> were just having fun at other newbies expense. DD>> Some may actually be telling the truth. Linux (particularly DD>> the earlier versions) will run on a 386 based computer. CA> "Run" is such a technical term. Could we be a bit more general CA> and just say it will "exist" on one? One will be able to perform workstation tasks on it - text processing spreadsheet - web browsing - dialup - controlling the garden sprinklers, (all in text mode of course). CA>>> You could probably learn twice as much trying to install CA>>> OBERON on an 80386. You'd be much much smarter than the CA>>> other guys are. DD>> I don't have a working 386. When I get one, I will be DD>> installing Linux on it. CA> I'm not getting any younger but I guess I can wait. :-\ Well, you just limited the range of 386 based machines I can use... DD>> I don't know what Oberon is. CA> Then this would be a huge opportunity to expand your CA> knowledgebase. It's a multitasking OS and language written by CA> Nicolas Wirth and friends. Ah - heard of him. What will it do for me that I cannot currently do with those OSs I currently have access to? What application software is available for it? CA>>> I believe that is what you believe. I cannot find a CA>>> working version anywhere. Something is wrong with this CA>>> picture? DD>> I have offered to make 1.1.59 available to you. CA> All versions have always been available to me. Nothing has CA> changed. CA>>>>> People don't retain detailed memories of old hardware. CA>>>>> You may have had one server with students shelled into CA>>>>> that or the student machines may have been 486's that CA>>>>> you thought were 386's? I don't know. DD>>>> Each student had their individual machine, and a set of DD>>>> the install disks. CA>>> I believe that they could bring up the system eventually. CA>>> That it would just sit there and do nothing may not have CA>>> been relevant to the student. It would matter to me. DD>> They sent each other mail over the TCP/IP based LAN they DD>> installed, learned basic *nix commands, wrote basic shell DD>> scripts etc. All in real time. CA> I can assume that the hardware and software weren't pretested CA> to be compatible with each other? HUH? Even the Linux kernel claims to be 386 compatible. THe hardware in the machines was standard issue IDE/VGA/NE2000 stuff. DD>> Nowdays we give them Celeron 933 based machines to do it. DD>> The 386s were trashed long ago. DD>>>> When you're ready to download it, speak up. I will post DD>>>> it on an FTP server. CA> OK, I will keep that in mind. CA>>> I downloaded a 12 meg file once trying to get a network CA>>> card working that everyone insisted would work. It didn't. CA>>> I've tilted enough windmills in my time. DD>> What sort of network card? CA> SMC DD>> All I've ever tried have worked - from strange 8 bit clones DD>> of an NE1000, to the current range of Intel 100mbps models. CA> I didn't say the card doesn't work. I said the drivers for it CA> didn't work. I really don't know if the card works or not. It CA> was not originally mine.s You didn't get to test the card by some other method? (The PC card NIC in my old notebook is an SMC - Slackware 4 worked on that straight out of the packet) Regards, David --- Msged/LNX TE 06 (pre) * Origin: Godzone, Oz. (3:640/305) .