Subj : Re: unixs on a 386 To : David Drummond From : Charles Angelich Date : Thu Nov 22 2001 12:05 am 123333d2bafe unix Hello David - DD>>>>> The 486DX2-66 I'm sitting at writing this has two 4.5 DD>>>>> gig drives in it. CA>>>> I think you and everyone reading this realizes I was CA>>>> referring to original equipment? DD>>> One of them was the original equipment. This machine was DD>>> not purchased "off the shelf". I bought the parts and DD>>> assembled it to the specs I wanted. I built it to run the DD>>> BBS on OS/2. CA>> A `white box' is not what most refer to as original CA>> equipment. DD> It was the drive that originally came with the machine DD> (albeit requiring assembly). Reminds me of the Studillac. Studebaker with a Cadillac engine in it. People referred to them as `stock'. DD>>> The only one of those I've had was a DOS package. NSCA DD>>> telnet and packet drives. All Linux installs I've done DD>>> had full workstation capabilities. CA>> Yes, but we weren't counting how many installs you've CA>> done. We were discussing installs on normal (not white CA>> box) 80386's. DD> Ah so now you're putting limits on the 386? Axactly what DD> specs am I allowed to use in this 386 based machine whe I DD> find it to test the Linux install? No, no limits. Find an AT&T WGS and install on that. DD>>>>> You want a copy of the CD? CA>> No. I want some of the people who enjoy insulting my CA>> intelligence to either prove they are right or admit they CA>> were just having fun at other newbies expense. DD> Some may actually be telling the truth. Linux (particularly DD> the earlier versions) will run on a 386 based computer. "Run" is such a technical term. Could we be a bit more general and just say it will "exist" on one? CA>> You could probably learn twice as much trying to install CA>> OBERON on an 80386. You'd be much much smarter than the CA>> other guys are. DD> I don't have a working 386. When I get one, I will be DD> installing Linux on it. I'm not getting any younger but I guess I can wait. :-\ DD> I don't know what Oberon is. Then this would be a huge opportunity to expand your knowledgebase. It's a multitasking OS and language written by Nicolas Wirth and friends. CA>> I believe that is what you believe. I cannot find a CA>> working version anywhere. Something is wrong with this CA>> picture? DD> I have offered to make 1.1.59 available to you. All versions have always been available to me. Nothing has changed. CA>>>> People don't retain detailed memories of old hardware. CA>>>> You may have had one server with students shelled into CA>>>> that or the student machines may have been 486's that CA>>>> you thought were 386's? I don't know. DD>>> Each student had their individual machine, and a set of DD>>> the install disks. CA>> I believe that they could bring up the system eventually. CA>> That it would just sit there and do nothing may not have CA>> been relevant to the student. It would matter to me. DD> They sent each other mail over the TCP/IP based LAN they DD> installed, learned basic *nix commands, wrote basic shell DD> scripts etc. All in real time. I can assume that the hardware and software weren't pretested to be compatible with each other? DD> Nowdays we give them Celeron 933 based machines to do it. DD> The 386s were trashed long ago. DD>>> When you're ready to download it, speak up. I will post DD>>> it on an FTP server. OK, I will keep that in mind. CA>> I downloaded a 12 meg file once trying to get a network CA>> card working that everyone insisted would work. It didn't. CA>> I've tilted enough windmills in my time. DD> What sort of network card? SMC DD> All I've ever tried have worked - from strange 8 bit clones DD> of an NE1000, to the current range of Intel 100mbps models. I didn't say the card doesn't work. I said the drivers for it didn't work. I really don't know if the card works or not. It was not originally mine.s > > , , > o/ Charles.Angelich \o , > <| |> __o/ > / > USA, MI < \ __\__ ___ * ATP/16bit 2.31 * .... DOS the Ghost in the Machine! http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/ --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) .