Subj : fantasy & folklore pt2
To   : David Drummond
From : Charles Angelich
Date : Tue Nov 20 2001 08:21 pm

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Hello David - 

CA>>>> People say that they have made them into routers,
CA>>>> servers, and terminals but we were discussing a LINUX
CA>>>> install a person could use to learn LINUX on. Not an
CA>>>> appliance for a network setup. 

DD> One learns a lot setting up such machines. 

Possibly, but that's not what was being discussed. 

DD>>> "Learn to use Linux" as in learn to control it at the
DD>>> commandline, make batch scripts etc? 

CA>> With a monolithic kernel I would guess it's necessary to
CA>> be able to recompile in order to added needed drivers etc.? 

DD> The kernel source has always been included with the Linuxes
DD> I've dabbled with (back to slackware 2.x) 

Source code with no compiler or the wrong lib files is useless,
as you well know. 

CA>> I'm referring to a user being able to familiarize
CA>> themselves with the basic structure, standard commands,
CA>> read manpages, connect via TCP/IP using PPP. Things that
CA>> most other OS can do. 

DD> I've yet to see a version of MS DOS come with TCP/IP
DD> support included (or AppleDOS for that matter)... 

PTSDOS and DRDOS both come with TCP/IP support. Time marches on
etc. 

DD> Those things were included back in the days of Slackware
DD> 2.x - those are the sort of things they were teaching the
DD> students at work. 

DD>>> The earlier (kernal 1.x.x) versions are/were certainly
DD>>> suitable for that. 

CA>> I didn't say they weren't suitable. I said I have been
CA>> unable to find a working install that is by anyone's
CA>> definition complete for an 80386 machine. 

DD> All of the earlier distribs were designed for 386 and above
DD> machines. The 386 was just as operational as the 486 - just
DD> slower. All of the features were there. 

What is stored on a CD is `there' but moving it to the computer
and getting that computer to use it is a different story. 

CA>> btw: This is academic, for me, at this point since I no
CA>> longer have an 80386 machine but I did have one at the
CA>> time that I was searching for a working install. 

DD> Maybe you should have inquired in the LINUX echo - I seen
DD> posters send copies to inquirers. 

I've read the LINUX echo for quite awhile now - over a year.
I've seen people who are there daily say they were going to
install LINUX on a 386 "just for the heck of it". I've seen
them return for help, and I've watched as they slowly realized
that the folklore was just that. Some just go away others
rapidly begin to make excuses. The 386 project becomes turning
it into a terminal or is scrapped altogether. 

To even manage to create a terminal they must install on a
larger/newer machine and then image copy that setup to the
80386. That was one reason I was hoping to find an image copy.
I know that has been how the `gurus' manage to do even as much
as they can do. ;-) 

Before you ask, yes I remember who some of them are/were, and
no I won't list names and then fight them off one at a time or
in a group. 

If you can manage to word the question in a way that is
acceptable to the LINUX echo users - ask them about installs on
80386's and watch what happens. Be careful or you'll be labeled
a `troll' by you-know-who. Certain questions aren't acceptable
there AFAIK.

In usenet LINUX message groups you will usually be told to forget
it.  Less bravado there?

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