Subj : Re: unixs on a 386 To : David Drummond From : Charles Angelich Date : Tue Nov 20 2001 07:46 pm 123333c2c59b unix Hello David - CA>>>> Nice but the references to `low end' were both 80486's CA>>>> and I don't find many `486s with gig-anything sized hard CA>>>> drives in them. Those were a response to W9x install CA>>>> sizes on Pentiums. DD>>> The 486DX2-66 I'm sitting at writing this has two 4.5 gig DD>>> drives in it. CA>> I think you and everyone reading this realizes I was CA>> referring to original equipment? DD> One of them was the original equipment. This machine was DD> not purchased "off the shelf". I bought the parts and DD> assembled it to the specs I wanted. I built it to run the DD> BBS on OS/2. A `white box' is not what most refer to as original equipment. CA>>>> Apparently you aren't saying you are one of those CA>>>> `people'? CA>>>> I've followed enough dead end URLs and watched as CA>>>> various LINUX `gurus' started with messages about CA>>>> putting LINUX on a `386, then asked for help, then CA>>>> finally admitted to making it a terminal only machine. DD>>> Exactly what do you see as a "terminal" and how do you DD>>> define "not terminal". CA>> Terminal as in just enough software to get connected to a CA>> server. No other software stored within that machine. DD> The only one of those I've had was a DOS package. NSCA DD> telnet and packet drives. All Linux installs I've done had DD> full workstation capabilities. Yes, but we weren't counting how many installs you've done. We were discussing installs on normal (not white box) 80386's. CA>>>> Too bad none will ever admit it. DD>>> If I can find a 386 I'm prepared to install Linux on it DD>>> and run whatever tests you want. Getting the machine _is_ DD>>> the hard part. CA>> Let me know when you find one. I'd be very interested in CA>> following your progress. CA>>>> Any *NIX expert who wants to make a copy of a working CA>>>> 80386 setup and put it on a server for download can CA>>>> easilly prove me wrong. Vague references to what we CA>>>> `think' is doable or machines that no longer exist in CA>>>> this space/time continuum are not relevant IMO. I'm CA>>>> referring to a useable personal computer setup, not a CA>>>> router, server, etc. appliance for a network setup. DD>>> You want a copy of the CD? No. I want some of the people who enjoy insulting my intelligence to either prove they are right or admit they were just having fun at other newbies expense. CA>> I could send you a copy of OBERON that may or may not CA>> install on an 80386 and we could both waste our time? DD> Yes, the 80386 is the vital ingredient - and rarer than DD> rocking-horse shit. You could probably learn twice as much trying to install OBERON on an 80386. You'd be much much smarter than the other guys are. CA>>>> There are many LINUX users now and the Internet is huge. CA>>>> When you can't find even ONE working version for an CA>>>> 80386 on the Internet there is a good chance there are CA>>>> none? Try to find one if you have time to kill but read CA>>>> the specs and be certain it's really for an 80386 and CA>>>> not someone who `thinks' his setup _might_ work on one. CA>>>> ;-) DD>>> I KNOW kernal 1.1.59 would install and run - we used to DD>>> use it at work to teach Linux to the students. I believe that is what you believe. I cannot find a working version anywhere. Something is wrong with this picture? CA>> People don't retain detailed memories of old hardware. You CA>> may have had one server with students shelled into that or CA>> the student machines may have been 486's that you thought CA>> were 386's? I don't know. DD> Each student had their individual machine, and a set of the DD> install disks. I believe that they could bring up the system eventually. That it would just sit there and do nothing may not have been relevant to the student. It would matter to me. CA>> All references are vague and no longer exist. It's this CA>> way all over the Internet from website to website. I've CA>> even tried finding it on FTP servers. It just isn't out CA>> there where I can find it. DD> As I said, I have an early Slackware with kernel 1.1.59 to DD> hand. DD> When you're ready to download it, speak up. I will post it DD> on an FTP server. I downloaded a 12 meg file once trying to get a network card working that everyone insisted would work. It didn't. I've tilted enough windmills in my time. > > , , > o/ Charles.Angelich \o , > <| |> __o/ > / > USA, MI < \ __\__ ___ * ATP/16bit 2.31 * .... DOS the Ghost in the Machine! http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/ --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) .