Subj : Re: [twgsdotorg] To : All From : Father Cajone Date : Wed Jan 15 2003 05:28 am Just my own thought...IF the inmate was either INNOCENT or FRAMED...would you like to be the executioner and then find out that the person you killed had later evidence that showed it was a false sentence? At least with a life sentence with no chance of parole the inmate that is falsely accused might have a chance of recovering part of their life! >From a message by feral about Re: [twgsdotorg]: > Just wanted to share this info with you. According to a NC DOC management report I read the other day, the average cost in NC to house an inmate is 52 dollars a day. An inmate with a "natural" life sentence is just a burden on the taxpayers of that state. If his crime was heinous enough to warrant him being segregated from society for the remainder of his life, why not impose the death penalty instead of burdening the taxpayers? > > > > >From a message by Dr. Bad about Re: [twgsdotorg]: > > Sure, the problem is with convicting the wrong people, but there is no "undo" on the death penalty, whereas, releasing someone a few years into a life sentence is much less problematic. If the judicial system was 100% infallible, then I'd be very happy with a death penalty, but that's not really possible in the forseeable future. > > > > Dr. Bad > > > > >From a message by Cherokee about Re: [twgsdotorg]: > > > I would still argue that the problem is with convicting the wrong > > people, not in the death penalty itself. Even without the death > > penalty, the current system has the potential to convict an innocent > > person and sentence them to life in prison, which is very nearly as bad > > as death if you ask me. > > > > I could be convinced that the requirements for imposing the death > > penalty could be tightened up some, that the offenses punishable by it > > be restricted some more, or any of a variety of other "reforms". But > > for some criminals, I think the most appropriate punishment is death. > > Names like bin Ladin and McVeigh and Dahmer come to mind. > > > > > > > > > > --- "Dr. Bad" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Death penalty opponents always use the scenario of > > > >the "innocent death > > > >row inmate" to try to argue against the penalty. I'm sur > > > >this happens > > > >occasionally, but I believe it is far less frequent than > > > >death penalty > > > >opponents claim. > > > > > > IMHO a _single_ incorrect execution is sufficient to make the death > > > penalty highly unattractive. Remember, the death penalty is not a > > > choice between killing them vs letting them go, its a choice between > > > killing them in about 10 years time, vs locking them up for the rest > > > of their lives. The difference to the community on the guilty ones is > > > pretty minor compared to the loss of even just one innocent life. > > > > > > Dr. Bad > > > > > > --- The Mad Hatter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check CNN, MSNBC, Nytimes.com, etc., all of the major news sites > > > > covered it. > > > > > > > > And yes, these people were innocent. Through DNA testing (which was > > > > not available when many of them were convicted), research, etc. the > > > > convictions were overturned, and in several cases the real > > > > perpetrator was convicted. > > > > > > > > 8 of the convictions were obtained by confessions that were > > > extracted > > > > under torture. The officer who obtained those convictions has been > > > > removed from the police department, however he has not as yet been > > > > jailed (I was unable to even find reference to him being charged). > > > > > > > > The Criminal Justice systems of both Canada and the United States > > > > have errored with great regularity. A conviction in a court of > > > either > > > > country does not mean that you are guilty, it often means that you > > > > could not afford a good lawyer. Harsh but true. > > > > > > > > What is really scarey about this is that you stand a better chance > > > of > > > > getting justice in Canada or the United States (even with all the > > > > faults of both systems) than you do almost anywhere else. > > > > > > > > The Mad Hatter > > > > > > > > >From a message by Cherokee about Re: [twgsdotorg]: > > > > > I would like to know the source of your statistics, in particular > > > > the > > > > 23 Illinois men who were "innocent". > > > > > > > > These cases are almost NEVER cases of truly innocent men being > > > > convicted, sentenced to death, and then exonerated. Rather, they > > > are > > > > usually cases in which some legal technicality allowed the men to > > > go > > > > free. In every such case, the body of evidence was enough to > > > convince > > > > a > > > > jury of reasonable people beyond a reasonable doubt, that the > > > > defendant > > > > was guilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- The Mad Hatter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are three good reasons that the Death Penalty is a dead > > > issue > > > > > in Canada. The Killer M's, David Millgard, Donald Marshall, and > > > Guy > > > > > Paul Morin. > > > > > > > > > > All three of these gentlemen were convicted of murder, all > > > > > exonerated. > > > > > > > > > > For those who say it couldn't happen in the USA, I suggest you > > > look > > > > > at Illinois where in the last 10 years 23 inmates who were on > > > death > > > > > row were later found innocent. > > > > > > > > > > The point of this being (for both Sanders and Cherokee who seem > > > > > unable to find it) is that government is best kept starved and > > > > > inoffensive, so that it cannot interfere with the lives of the > > > > > citizens. All governments should be kept this way - consider > > > Saddam > > > > > Hussein if his government was defanged. He'd end up looking like > > > > the > > > > > Stay-Pufft Marshmellow Man. > > > > > > > > > > Government is not he solution to the problem - it is the problem. > > > > > > > > > > The only good politician is a dead one (they don't raise taxes). > > > > > > > > > > The best government is the least government, and the least > > > > government > > > > > is no government at all. > > > > > > > > > > Taxation is theft. > > > > > > > > > > Why is the U.S. Government so hard on the Mafia? They don't like > > > > > competition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mad Hatter - Radical to the Bone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >from a message by col sanders about Re: OT Military: > > > > > > No, I just don't find very many offenses worthy of execution. > > > > > > > > > > Cherokee wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >So violating the law is ok as long as it results in something > > > > > >productive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- FEddy 1.4.03/modPHX * Origin: http://www.twgs.org -- THE Trade Wars web forum! (1:229/522.0) .