Subj : Re: OT Military To : All From : col sanders Date : Mon Jan 13 2003 02:02 pm It really goes beyond that, to things like Waco and Ruby Ridge, neither of which was a legal invasion, at least at the very beginning. But by your comments I do think you are being naive. I guess there really is no argument beyond that... Cherokee wrote: >I don't think we are in any danger of seeing Joe McCarthy the sequel. >If I am wronged by someone in a position of power, I have adequate >recourse to defend myself. > >My answer to your fear of someone extorting you by using something >ambarrassing... don't do anything to be embarrassed about. > >If you already have, let them reveal it rather than allow yourself to >be blackmailed. If you run for Governor, your deep dark secrets are >sure to be exposed. :) > >--- col sanders wrote: > > >>Well, I have been pulled over for having pro-gun bumper stickers, and >> >>then interrogates on the side of the road by 3 cruiser's worth of >>State >>Troopers. All of this because of my bumper stickers. I was not >>even >>given a ticket. Add to the loss of privacy, the databases they are >>compiling, (read about the return of John Tower to the pentagon and >>his >>database project) and you have the potential for abuse that dwarfs >>what >>Hoover was acused of. I go to Church, I attend rallies (like the one >>on >>Wednesday) and have entertained the idea of running for Governor or >>some >>other state position. I am ambitious and hope to do well >>professionally. While not alive then, I have read about Mcarthy and >>the >>Red scare, I read about the lives he ruined. I am familiar with the >>allegtions about Hoover and his own extortion using embarassing info >>about people to his own ends. I can find ALOT to be afraid of, and >>it >>tends to be a result of people ignoring the bill of rights and >>passing >>laws that give the government powers that would not have even helped >>them stop any terrorist attacks in the first place. You may naively >>believe that every person in power will both be on your side, and >>also >>be so good as to not misuse their power. Look at history, look at >>the >>whole reason for the Bill of Rights in the first place. >> >>Col Sanders >> >>Cherokee wrote: >> >> >> >>>Just read that article. Not a single line concerns me in the least. >>> >>> >>>What specifically are YOU afraid of that inhibits your personal >>>freedoms? >>> >>> >>> >>>--- col sanders wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Here are some specifics on the Patriot Act if you really are >>>>interested... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_p atriot_analysis.html >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>col sanders wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>My concerns are that while I don't necessarily fear anything from >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>current administration, weakening the Bill of Rights for future >>>>>administrations is quite dangerous, if for example we got another >>>>>Clinton type in office, imagine the danger to those of us that >>>>> >>>>> >>are >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>secularly mainstream. The USA Patriot act is bad, ignoring due >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>process >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>is bad, the DMCA is bad. I am still hoping they will have the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>balls to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>reverse the bad law the first Bush signed regarding "assault >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>weapons". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>They also need to reopen the streets in DC, the great Coward >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>(Clinton) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>should be the last coward, let DC return to pre-Clinton normalcy. >>>>> >>>>>Regarding the need to fight a war, let me ask you this, do you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>really >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>believe that the US can do ANYTHING that will met by the radical >>>>>muslim/arab terrorist groups backing off? Is that even possible >>>>> >>>>> >>at >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>point? I don't believe so... Maybe you do... >>>>> >>>>>Cherokee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Agreed, people don't HAVE to be searched, it is voluntary (only >>>>>>compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner). >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we need to fight a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>war, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>though it probably will come to that. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't see why you are frightened by the President's "recent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>record on >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>liberty". What are you afraid of (specifically)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- col sanders wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>We can get into a discussion of how it all started when the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>great >> >> >>>>>>>Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to misinterpret the >>>>>>>Commerce >>>>>>>Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>including >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>airlines and the great loss of freedoms we enjoy today... But >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>why >> >> >>>>>>>over-complicate things. The airlines are private industry. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>They >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days. Americans are STUPID >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>and >> >> >>>>>>>need >>>>>>>to be protected from themselves (not my opinion, the opinion of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>thsoe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>in >>>>>>>power). People don't *have to be searched* they can ride amtrak >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>if >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>they >>>>>>>object so much (for foreigners, thats the train). Anyway, let >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>not >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>confuse things, do we need to fight a war in the middle east, >>>>>>>probably. >>>>>>>Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty frightening, yes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>two related, no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cherokee wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>That is oversimplified. It is not the airlines mandating the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>searches. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In fact, the airlines are no longer able to employ their own >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>security >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>personnel. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>new >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>government agency handling airport security, and we DO in fact >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>have >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>less freedom when flying than we used to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Even so, I say big deal. They are working to protect planes and >>>>>>>>passengers from terrorism. They aren't digging through your >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>luggage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>try to find out if you cheated on your taxes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- col sanders wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an airplan has nothing to do >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>freedom. Airlines are a private company, and as such they >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>have >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>right to inspect their customers on their private property. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>><> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by non-Americans is enough >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>to >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>take >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>away >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>some of the freedom of Americans.. >>>>>>>>>>Does this mean that "IF" these attacks continue that more >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>freedom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>will be >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>lost .. >>>>>>>>>>Valid Point of View .. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: "sloppy" >>>>>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>upon >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>themselves >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing American >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>civilians.

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>That's not the point either .. >>>>>>>>>>>
>Talk about freedom .. what happened to the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>freedom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>locking your bags .. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>When you fly now bags stay unlocked .. >>>>>>>>>>>
>Killing someone doesnt "Give" freedom either >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>.. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>you just >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>completely came >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>out and said something that's just way out >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>there >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>
>From: "Sting" >>>>>>>>>>>
>To: >>>>>>>>>>>
>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM >>>>>>>>>>>
>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!! >>>>>>>>>>>
> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!! >>>>>>>>>>>
> > Sting >>>>>>>>>>>
> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>
> > From: "<>" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27 >>>>>>>>>>>
> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>>>
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> > > I dont think that's his point >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > When it comes down to it you have >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>able to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>handle killing someone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > else >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > just because it's the political >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>thing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>do .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If you cant handle that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > Idea >>>>>>>>>>>
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> > > From: "pagan" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > To: >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>12:14 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Military >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> > > conditions more habitable than to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>take >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > situation. >>>>>>>>>>>
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