Subj : Re: Apology to Silver
To   : All
From : Dark Helmet
Date : Wed Jan 08 2003 11:59 pm

umm, which part?





>From: "Space Ghost" <twgsdotorg@twgs.org>
>To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com
>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:26:18 -0500
>
>naa u only think we do.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Dark Helmet
>   To: spaceghost@booinc.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:44 PM
>   Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>
>
>
>   eh?  Don't you remember the egroups/yahoogroups days?
>
>   We had an understanding.  I hate you and you hate me.
>
>   We are like oil and water.
>
>   One on One?  I don't think so.  I don't do One on One.  well, unless  
>she is
>   hot :)
>
>   Don't Boo go through corpies like the wolfpack did??
>
>
>   >From: "Space Ghost" <twgsdotorg@twgs.org>
>   >To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com
>   >Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>   >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:52:23 -0500
>   >
>   >daaaaaamn it man..
>   >
>   >I didnt realise you had a Bias against me....
>   >
>   >Maybe you need a little one on one time with me...
>   >
>   >Make you feel the love..so to speak....heh
>   ><u know there is a reason more chicks associate them selves with Boo!  
>inc.
>   >then any other corp>
>   >
>   >Space Ghost
>   >----- Original Message -----
>   >From: "Dark Helmet" <twgsdotorg@twgs.org>
>   >To: <spaceghost@booinc.com>
>   >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:19 PM
>   >Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>   >
>   >
>   > >
>   > > In the begining I saw the same thing.  As it went on, I was under  
>the
>   > > impression the SG didn't want anybody to play.
>   > >
>   > > I agree that SD should release the twa file.  For the ONLY reason  
>that
>   >he
>   > > originally said he was.  In a general sense, I don't think the twa  
>file
>   > > should be made available to just anybody.  A person spends alot of  
>time
>   >and
>   > > energy creating a game, why should just anybody take that and bang  
>a
>   >game
>   >on
>   > > their own server.  That person is getting credit for a great game  
>even
>   > > though they put no effort into creating it.  It would be just like
>   > > downloading an entire website and using it as my own.
>   > >
>   > > I think that SD has decided to not release it and has set that  
>decision
>   >in
>   > > stone.  I don't think that SG, me, you or anybody else should  
>badger him
>   >to
>   > > the extent that he has been over it.  It is his decision and if  you
>   >don't
>   > > like it, say you don't, explain why and leave it at that.
>   > >
>   > > SG feels so strongly about his point on this matter and he  
>shouldn't
>   >play.
>   > > I don't play in the USO for several reasons.  This isn't one of  
>them
>   >though.
>   > >
>   > > Maybe I see this because of my bias against SG, I dunno....
>   > >
>   > > DH
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > >From: "col sanders" <twgsdotorg@twgs.org>
>   > > >To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com
>   > > >Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>   > > >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:50:32 -0500
>   > > >
>   > > >Wow, thats not what I got out of the flame thread... here is what  
>I
>   >got...
>   > > >
>   > > >SG was upset the Silver Dragon went back on his pledge to release  
>the
>   > > >.twa, and then wondered allowed that if he could be convinved to  
>go
>   >back
>   > > >on that pledge, just how stable would Silver hold up to peer  
>pressure
>   > > >once the game started.
>   > > >
>   > > >SG then took the opportunity, since he had alot of attention, to
>   >crusade
>   > > >for .twa file release in non-stock games in the league.
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >So, I did not see the part about trying to stop folks from  playing 
>in
>   > > >the USO...  In fact, I agree with Silver Dragon to some extent on  
>the
>   > > >USO issue, I don't think he should release the TWA, but I go  
>further
>   >and
>   > > >think he should not release all the edits either.  I also think  he
>   > > >should definitely not run a practice game, and should not furnish  
>the
>   > > >edits for other servers to do so.  Also, despite my past issues  
>with
>   > > >Silver Dragon, i am really not worried about him being fair  during 
>the
>   > > >game.  I don't think he is trying to hide anything, he think he  
>was
>   > > >backed into a corner publicly and has no graceful way out hence  
>all the
>   > > >flaming <G>.  Thats my opinion.
>   > > >
>   > > >As for the .twa release in league games, I agree with SG and  think 
>they
>   > > >should do that for sure.
>   > > >
>   > > >heh, funny how I can agree with some from both sides...  But I  
>didn't
>   > > >see the same agenda you saw... but then maybe I missed  
>something...
>   > > >
>   > > >Col Sanders
>   > > >
>   > > >Dark Helmet wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > >well, SG's agenda right now appears to be that he feels that he
>   > > >absolutely
>   > > > >has to have that twa file (maybe cause he doesn't think he can
>   >compete
>   > > > >without the knowledge to be gained from the file)  and now he  
>want's
>   >the
>   > > > >whole tw universe to not play in the USO.
>   > > > >
>   > > > >umm.  well, read that a few times and you'll get the idea of  
>what I
>   >am
>   > > > >trying to say.  I think....
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >DH
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >>From: "col sanders" <twgsdotorg@twgs.org>
>   > > > >>To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com
>   > > > >>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>   > > > >>Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:25:44 -0500
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>I really am curious as to just what is SG's agenda?  I need to  
>know
>   > > > >>whether to agree with it, and therefore join the consipracy,  or 
>to
>   >fight
>   > > > >>against it...
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>Col Sanders
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>Dark Helmet wrote:
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>And what he does is worse than what you are doing?
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>Let's all be like space ghost and throw a temper tantrum  
>because we
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>aren't
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>getting our way.  We gotta use the twleague website and any  
>other
>   > > >source
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>on
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>the web to spout off.
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>I throw one of those once.  Fortunately I grew out of it.
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>The question is:  with SG ever grow out if it?
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>I for one am surpised that he was able to go this long not  
>using
>   >his
>   > > > >>>twleague position for his own personal agenda's for this  long. 
>  IE:
>   > > >this
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>is
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>why I don't do league games no more. :)
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>OH I LOVE TO THROW JET FUEL ON THE FLAME
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>DH
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>
>   > > > >>>>From: "Space Ghost" <twgsdotorg@twgs.org>
>   > > > >>>>To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com
>   > > > >>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>   > > > >>>>Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:12:16 -0500
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>ohhh what u gonna be a  player there timber pup??
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>I cant wait to wait and see...
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>You dont want none of me bro..u cried and complained last  
>time i
>   >got
>   > > >on
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>ur
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>>ass and u BEGGED me to leave you alone... then i agreed to  
>leave
>   >you
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>alone
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>>but even that
>   > > > >>>>wasnt good enuff....
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>You want some more timberpup???
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>No one can count on you for NOTHING.....
>   > > > >>>>You were asked to cover the news for the HHT and you couldnt  
>even
>   >do
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>that
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>>without Whining.
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>Something doesnt go your way you don;t stand up and fight  for 
>what
>   >u
>   > > > >>>>believe in...
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>You "take ur ball and go home"
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>I've watched you take a stand on an issue then back down and
>   >crumble
>   > > >in
>   > > > >>>>the light of Tradewars players opinions....
>   > > > >>>>You have no back bone and i doubt you ever did...
>   > > > >>>>Your right abou one thing...
>   > > > >>>>I've played WELL for years without a .twa
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>Sg
>   > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>   > > > >>>> From: Timberwolf
>   > > > >>>> To: spaceghost@booinc.com
>   > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:42 PM
>   > > > >>>> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>> You don't give up, Space Bitch, do you?
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>> You have played well for years without a .twa file and just
>   >because
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>you
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>>made
>   > > > >>>> one up for grabs for HHT does not mean SD has to do it to.
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>> As for my opinion not mattering cuz I'm not a player..just  
>wait
>   >and
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>see
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>>:P
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>> Timber
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>   > > > >>>> From: "space ghost" <twgsdotorg@twgs.org>
>   > > > >>>> To: <timberwolf@twgazette.com>
>   > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
>   > > > >>>> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> > Wow u dont understand sarcasm a bit do ya???
>   > > > >>>> > I'm about as sorry for posting on this subject as Phillip
>   >Morris
>   >is
>   > > > >>>>over
>   > > > >>>> Cancer Causing Cigerettes...
>   > > > >>>> > You keep trying to stop me from posting my opinion on  your 
>Lame
>   > > > >>>>Excuse of
>   > > > >>>> buckeling under peer pressure.....
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> > Keep your .twa file this year Silver...
>   > > > >>>> > Keep telling people how it isnt useful except to the  Elite
>   > > > >>>> > And by all means keep writing the TwLeague Board Trying  to 
>get
>   >them
>   > > > >>>>to
>   > > > >>>> shut me up...
>   > > > >>>> > Keep telling people your reasons are you dont want the  
>game
>   >over
>   > > > >>>>played
>   > > > >>>> and u want people to experience new edits and by all means  
>keep
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>telling
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>> people all edits are released on the website.....
>   > > > >>>> > None of which will work.........
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> > You will just continue to look like an idiot for not  
>releasing
>   > > > >>>>something
>   > > > >>>> to help out the smaller teams...
>   > > > >>>> > Lets keep the advantage in the Veterns Favor...
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> > It's already been pointed out that enuff edits have been
>   >released
>   > > >to
>   > > > >>>> generate one's own copy of the uso 03.
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> > And by all means..Keep being a Putz....
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> >
>   > > > >>>> > >From a message by Silver Dragon about Re: Apology to  
>Silver:
>   > > > >>>> > > I really dont know what to say. Space Ghost, I have  
>always
>   >shown
>   > > > >>>>you
>   > > > >>>> respect and never once had an issue with you. I have never  
>given
>   >you
>   > > > >>>>reason
>   > > > >>>> to mis trust me that I at least know of. And then over  
>something
>   >as
>   > > > >>>>simple
>   > > > >>>> as this you go balistic and tried to single handedly ruin  my
>   >game,
>   > > >rep
>   > > > >>>>and
>   > > > >>>> server all in one shot. Whats the deal? is there some deep  
>dark
>   > > >secret
>   > > > >>>>or
>   > > > >>>> something I did that you have been holding inside? I dont  
>know,
>   >ICQ
>   > > >me
>   > > > >>>> sometime let me know what this was really about it caught  be 
>mad
>   > > > >>>>surprise
>   > > > >>>> dude. I know you care deeply for the USO and so do I. Shrug
>   > > > >>>> >  > Silver Dragon
>   > > > >>>> >  > >From a message by Space Ghost about Apology to  Silver:
>   > > > >>>> >  > > First of all it seems i was wrong...
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > While my heart may have been in the right place
>   > > > >>>> >  > releasing the .twa file on my own is not a good idea.
>   > > > >>>> >  > Silver knows that teams who want to win will be  running
>   >thier
>   > > > >>>> >  > own private game with his settings with or with out  the 
>.twa
>   > > >file
>   > > > >>>> provided
>   > > > >>>> >  > Further stating that i wasnt going to play was an even
>   > > > >>>> >  > worse thing to say...
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > I have people who i promised i would devote time and
>   >resources
>   > > > >>>> to...they  look to me for leadership and i am willing to  
>squander
>   >the
>   > > > >>>>little
>   > > > >>>> bit of  an advantage i can give my team???? i can provide  my 
>team
>   > > >with
>   > > > >>>>a
>   > > > >>>> private  practice game..And Silver said it best,,,Not every  
>team
>   >will
>   > > > >>>>have
>   > > > >>>> that  advantage.
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > I have been admonished by veterns for giving away  thier
>   > > > >>>> >  > advantage!!!....After all we can't really expect that  
>the
>   > > >veterns
>   > > > >>>>and
>   > > > >>>> the teams who want to play to win arent going to have thier  
>own
>   >warm
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>>>
>   > > > >>up
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>
>   > > > >>>> game on thier own servers....with the exact settings i was  
>going
>   >to
>   > > > >>>>compose
>   > > > >>>> for them.
>   > > > >>>> >  > Why make it easy for the compition??
>   > > > >>>> >  > They can see the edits same as me.
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > If i released a .twa file i would be giving away my  
>teams
>   > > > >>>> advantage,,hell i would be giving away other people's
>   >advantage....
>   > > > >>>>infact
>   > > > >>>> i would be making it easier for newbie teams to  compete..<as 
>if
>   > > >there
>   > > > >>>>is
>   > > > >>>> goona be newbie teams>
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > So i won't be releasing the .twa file for uso...
>   > > > >>>> >  > let the teams make thier own .twa
>   > > > >>>> >  > I'll be running a private practice game for my team
>   > > > >>>> >  > and to hell with worring about being fair.
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > Let the veterns keep the adavantage
>   > > > >>>> >  > This is obviously how everyone wants it.
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > So again i apologize to Silver Dragon...
>   > > > >>>> >  > He knows more about what players want
>   > > > >>>> >  > and i should not assume that i know better then him.
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  > Space Ghost
>   > > > >>>> >  >
>   > > > >>>> >  >
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