Subj : Re: Apology to Silver To : All From : Dark Helmet Date : Tue Jan 07 2003 06:19 pm In the begining I saw the same thing. As it went on, I was under the impression the SG didn't want anybody to play. I agree that SD should release the twa file. For the ONLY reason that he originally said he was. In a general sense, I don't think the twa file should be made available to just anybody. A person spends alot of time and energy creating a game, why should just anybody take that and bang a game on their own server. That person is getting credit for a great game even though they put no effort into creating it. It would be just like downloading an entire website and using it as my own. I think that SD has decided to not release it and has set that decision in stone. I don't think that SG, me, you or anybody else should badger him to the extent that he has been over it. It is his decision and if you don't like it, say you don't, explain why and leave it at that. SG feels so strongly about his point on this matter and he shouldn't play. I don't play in the USO for several reasons. This isn't one of them though. Maybe I see this because of my bias against SG, I dunno.... DH >From: "col sanders" >To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com >Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:50:32 -0500 > >Wow, thats not what I got out of the flame thread... here is what I got... > >SG was upset the Silver Dragon went back on his pledge to release the >.twa, and then wondered allowed that if he could be convinved to go back >on that pledge, just how stable would Silver hold up to peer pressure >once the game started. > >SG then took the opportunity, since he had alot of attention, to crusade >for .twa file release in non-stock games in the league. > > >So, I did not see the part about trying to stop folks from playing in >the USO... In fact, I agree with Silver Dragon to some extent on the >USO issue, I don't think he should release the TWA, but I go further and >think he should not release all the edits either. I also think he >should definitely not run a practice game, and should not furnish the >edits for other servers to do so. Also, despite my past issues with >Silver Dragon, i am really not worried about him being fair during the >game. I don't think he is trying to hide anything, he think he was >backed into a corner publicly and has no graceful way out hence all the >flaming . Thats my opinion. > >As for the .twa release in league games, I agree with SG and think they >should do that for sure. > >heh, funny how I can agree with some from both sides... But I didn't >see the same agenda you saw... but then maybe I missed something... > >Col Sanders > >Dark Helmet wrote: > > >well, SG's agenda right now appears to be that he feels that he >absolutely > >has to have that twa file (maybe cause he doesn't think he can compete > >without the knowledge to be gained from the file) and now he want's the > >whole tw universe to not play in the USO. > > > >umm. well, read that a few times and you'll get the idea of what I am > >trying to say. I think.... > > > > > >DH > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "col sanders" > >>To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com > >>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver > >>Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:25:44 -0500 > >> > >>I really am curious as to just what is SG's agenda? I need to know > >>whether to agree with it, and therefore join the consipracy, or to fight > >>against it... > >> > >>Col Sanders > >> > >>Dark Helmet wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>And what he does is worse than what you are doing? > >>> > >>>Let's all be like space ghost and throw a temper tantrum because we > >>> > >>> > >>aren't > >> > >> > >>>getting our way. We gotta use the twleague website and any other >source > >>> > >>> > >>on > >> > >> > >>>the web to spout off. > >>> > >>>I throw one of those once. Fortunately I grew out of it. > >>> > >>>The question is: with SG ever grow out if it? > >>> > >>>I for one am surpised that he was able to go this long not using his > >>>twleague position for his own personal agenda's for this long. IE: >this > >>> > >>> > >>is > >> > >> > >>>why I don't do league games no more. :) > >>> > >>> > >>>OH I LOVE TO THROW JET FUEL ON THE FLAME > >>> > >>> > >>>DH > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "Space Ghost" > >>>>To: dh_supreme@hotmail.com > >>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver > >>>>Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:12:16 -0500 > >>>> > >>>>ohhh what u gonna be a player there timber pup?? > >>>> > >>>>I cant wait to wait and see... > >>>> > >>>>You dont want none of me bro..u cried and complained last time i got >on > >>>> > >>>> > >>ur > >> > >> > >>>>ass and u BEGGED me to leave you alone... then i agreed to leave you > >>>> > >>>> > >>alone > >> > >> > >>>>but even that > >>>>wasnt good enuff.... > >>>> > >>>>You want some more timberpup??? > >>>> > >>>>No one can count on you for NOTHING..... > >>>>You were asked to cover the news for the HHT and you couldnt even do > >>>> > >>>> > >>that > >> > >> > >>>>without Whining. > >>>> > >>>>Something doesnt go your way you don;t stand up and fight for what u > >>>>believe in... > >>>> > >>>>You "take ur ball and go home" > >>>> > >>>>I've watched you take a stand on an issue then back down and crumble >in > >>>>the light of Tradewars players opinions.... > >>>>You have no back bone and i doubt you ever did... > >>>>Your right abou one thing... > >>>>I've played WELL for years without a .twa > >>>> > >>>>Sg > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Timberwolf > >>>> To: spaceghost@booinc.com > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:42 PM > >>>> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> You don't give up, Space Bitch, do you? > >>>> > >>>> You have played well for years without a .twa file and just because > >>>> > >>>> > >>you > >> > >> > >>>>made > >>>> one up for grabs for HHT does not mean SD has to do it to. > >>>> > >>>> As for my opinion not mattering cuz I'm not a player..just wait and > >>>> > >>>> > >>see > >> > >> > >>>>:P > >>>> > >>>> Timber > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "space ghost" > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM > >>>> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Apology to Silver > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > Wow u dont understand sarcasm a bit do ya??? > >>>> > I'm about as sorry for posting on this subject as Phillip Morris is > >>>>over > >>>> Cancer Causing Cigerettes... > >>>> > You keep trying to stop me from posting my opinion on your Lame > >>>>Excuse of > >>>> buckeling under peer pressure..... > >>>> > > >>>> > Keep your .twa file this year Silver... > >>>> > Keep telling people how it isnt useful except to the Elite > >>>> > And by all means keep writing the TwLeague Board Trying to get them > >>>>to > >>>> shut me up... > >>>> > Keep telling people your reasons are you dont want the game over > >>>>played > >>>> and u want people to experience new edits and by all means keep > >>>> > >>>> > >>telling > >> > >> > >>>> people all edits are released on the website..... > >>>> > None of which will work......... > >>>> > > >>>> > You will just continue to look like an idiot for not releasing > >>>>something > >>>> to help out the smaller teams... > >>>> > Lets keep the advantage in the Veterns Favor... > >>>> > > >>>> > It's already been pointed out that enuff edits have been released >to > >>>> generate one's own copy of the uso 03. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > And by all means..Keep being a Putz.... > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >From a message by Silver Dragon about Re: Apology to Silver: > >>>> > > I really dont know what to say. Space Ghost, I have always shown > >>>>you > >>>> respect and never once had an issue with you. I have never given you > >>>>reason > >>>> to mis trust me that I at least know of. And then over something as > >>>>simple > >>>> as this you go balistic and tried to single handedly ruin my game, >rep > >>>>and > >>>> server all in one shot. Whats the deal? is there some deep dark >secret > >>>>or > >>>> something I did that you have been holding inside? I dont know, ICQ >me > >>>> sometime let me know what this was really about it caught be mad > >>>>surprise > >>>> dude. I know you care deeply for the USO and so do I. Shrug > >>>> > > Silver Dragon > >>>> > > >From a message by Space Ghost about Apology to Silver: > >>>> > > > First of all it seems i was wrong... > >>>> > > > >>>> > > While my heart may have been in the right place > >>>> > > releasing the .twa file on my own is not a good idea. > >>>> > > Silver knows that teams who want to win will be running thier > >>>> > > own private game with his settings with or with out the .twa >file > >>>> provided > >>>> > > Further stating that i wasnt going to play was an even > >>>> > > worse thing to say... > >>>> > > > >>>> > > I have people who i promised i would devote time and resources > >>>> to...they look to me for leadership and i am willing to squander the > >>>>little > >>>> bit of an advantage i can give my team???? i can provide my team >with > >>>>a > >>>> private practice game..And Silver said it best,,,Not every team will > >>>>have > >>>> that advantage. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > I have been admonished by veterns for giving away thier > >>>> > > advantage!!!....After all we can't really expect that the >veterns > >>>>and > >>>> the teams who want to play to win arent going to have thier own warm > >>>> > >>>> > >>up > >> > >> > >>>> game on thier own servers....with the exact settings i was going to > >>>>compose > >>>> for them. > >>>> > > Why make it easy for the compition?? > >>>> > > They can see the edits same as me. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > If i released a .twa file i would be giving away my teams > >>>> advantage,,hell i would be giving away other people's advantage.... > >>>>infact > >>>> i would be making it easier for newbie teams to compete..there > >>>>is > >>>> goona be newbie teams> > >>>> > > > >>>> > > So i won't be releasing the .twa file for uso... > >>>> > > let the teams make thier own .twa > >>>> > > I'll be running a private practice game for my team > >>>> > > and to hell with worring about being fair. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Let the veterns keep the adavantage > >>>> > > This is obviously how everyone wants it. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > So again i apologize to Silver Dragon... > >>>> > > He knows more about what players want > >>>> > > and i should not assume that i know better then him. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Space Ghost > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > --- > >>>> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- > >>>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>i > >>> > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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