Subj : Re: Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p To : All From : col sanders Date : Mon Jan 06 2003 11:28 am Hehe, now lets get Xide and Doc Bad not to play, then I might have a real chance hehehe I might have to play after all Col Sanders Silver Dragon wrote: >I already explained to you on private ICQ that I am trhough explaining myself to you. Anyone is free to ask any questions they wish. Yes even you, the game is open on monday for those of you who want further detail. Obviously I cant stop people from creating MACH TWA files from the answers they get. But I certainly will not put it up for free download I am sorry. Thats all I really have to say on the matter, I hope you and ghost do play as I am trying to run a decent game. >Silver >>From a message by Kemper3 about Re: Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p: > > >>and you want examples of how you don't stand behind a decision? Is >> >> >this how you plan to run the game? "I just SAID that, it isn't what >I'm actually doing." This year's game looks to be a real winner. > >On 4 Jan 2003 at 1:10, Silver Dragon wrote: > > > >>Heh I have given no one access to tedit just answered questions. Your intent is to defy me. It is pretty clear. I am done with this thread >>>From a message by Kemper3 about Re: Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p: >> >> >>>You have stated that anyone can view all the edits. You have told me >>> >>> >>privately that you have already given others details when they asked >>you about them. However, when I ask for details you refuse to give >>them? How is this fair? This is your idea of how to run a >>tournament... give some people tedit access to see what they want to >>but deny it to others? >> >>On 4 Jan 2003 at 0:44, Silver Dragon wrote: >> >> >> >>>Your intent was not to view the edits but to go around what I wish for the game >>>>From a message by Kemper3 about Re: Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p: >>> >>> >>>>So you refuse me tedit access when you have already stated anyone who >>>> >>>> >>>wants it can have it? >>> >>>On 4 Jan 2003 at 0:18, Silver Dragon wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>First of all no, that is not the intent of allowing someone to view the edits. >>>>Silver >>>>>From a message by Kemper3 about Re: Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I would like tedit access to view all of the settings. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>For everyone else: >>>>Once I have logged them, I will re-create them and release a .twa >>>>file for you. >>>> >>>>On 3 Jan 2003 at 19:37, Silver Dragon wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>LOL wow dude youre really reachig now, come on reach just a bit further there bud, as I stated before (Clearing Throat) I will give it to some servers so that people who miss mondays game will at least have a chance to look at the game as it stands. Also did I not just say anyone can look >>>>> >>>>> > > > >>in >> >> >>>>tedit if they wish? umm ya I just did. So come on ghost keep reaching. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Silver >>>>>>From a message by Space Ghost about Re: Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Silver you said >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>"not to mention I will give it to a few servers lol you choose to ignore >>>>>that thats fine. Infact I was gonna give a copy to MAC which you could have >>>>>easily asked him to let take a looksy or infact could even asked me if you >>>>>could take a peak in tedit" >>>>> >>>>>Thats EXACTLY what im talking about!!!!!! >>>>>Your goona give out the edits to select people... >>>>>You just said so yourself... >>>>> >>>>>This isnt FAIR....Give it to everyone!!!! >>>>> >>>>>Maybe someone here will WAKE UP!!! >>>>> >>>>>He intends to let "certain" people see it but not everyone!!! >>>>> >>>>>WAKE UP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>SG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Silver Dragon" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:27 PM >>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>ok you dont trust me thats fine, and I made the decision to not release >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>the TWA file on my own. Oh and I already said its not about hiding edits, >>>>>not to mention I will give it to a few servers lol you choose to ignore that >>>>>thats fine. Infact I was gonna give a copy to MAC which you could have >>>>>easily asked him to let take a looksy or infact could even asked me if you >>>>>could take a peak in tedit. That would have been fine with me bro. You want >>>>>to do that I have no problem with it. Like I said ask and you shall see. I >>>>>just dont want the game flying about and getting over played and thats the >>>>>bottom line to it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Oh and are we playing the game yet? no we arent. we still have over 40 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>days to go, I will change my mind about a few things no doubt during the >>>>>course of my conversations with players and such. When the game starts thats >>>>>a different story. This is all in an effort to improve the game. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>And yes others will choose to play or not to play but in all the time I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>have run my server, never once have I had any complaints about my rules or >>>>>the way I enforce them. Infact I was voted #1 sysop and #1 server. Shrug, I >>>>>must really suck as a sysop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Silver Dragon >>>>>>>From a message by Space Ghost about Re: Some of you will hate me but oh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>well ;p: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>if all the edits are posted >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Then i would simply make my own .twa file... >>>>>>**if all edits are posted this is easy** >>>>>>There are a lot of things i used to do...nope barb never posted a .twa >>>>>>file....i played anyways.... >>>>>>I trusted her.... >>>>>> >>>>>>You are hiding edits....period. >>>>>> >>>>>>As for liking you...i really don;t know you other then by ur actions... >>>>>>you have crushed under peer pressure everytime on almost every decision u >>>>>>have ever made... >>>>>>You have taken a game and applied UNENFORCABLE RULES to the game... >>>>>>If today u change ur mind about the .twa file how do we know you wont >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>wake >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>up on day 33 of the uso and decide that some one has cheated by one of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>your >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>non enforcable rules. >>>>>> >>>>>>Hey i'm just one little Guy who wont be missed >>>>>>in the United States Open..... >>>>>> >>>>>>Let the players decide by either playing or >>>>>>NOT playing the US Open. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Space Ghost >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Silver Dragon" >>>>>>To: >>>>>>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:07 PM >>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: Re:Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>LOL you are so funny dude, How do I even respond to this hehe. You think >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>you know everything. Thats fine, something to hide? what on earth could I >>>>>>have to hide about a TW game? all the edits are posted clear as day on the >>>>>>web page, you got a question just ask I will be more then willing to tell >>>>>>you anything you want to know. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>The reason I dont want the TWA floating around is pretty simple. Over >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>planning will kill the game. For 40 days the game will be played over and >>>>>>over again people will get tired of the edits and not have anything new to >>>>>>look foward to. In short I dont want the game to get played out before it >>>>>>even starts. It also will force people to think a little harder about >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>their >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>plan without having everything just handed to em. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Dont know what else to tell ya boss, you told me you dont play tournies >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>you dont have access to the edits, hmmm then you turn around and say you >>>>>>play USO every year. Name one year barb released the TWA. Ahhh thats right >>>>>>she never did. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I dont know what your problem is with me, but it is clear its not about >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>the TWA file or the rules. You just dont like me. Dont want to play? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Shrugs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I cant make everyone happy and I wont try. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>For the rest of you folks I watched in pain as last years USO fell >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>apart. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I made a promise to BG that I would run the best game I could. There is >>>>>>nothing to hide here lol, ask me if you have questions I will show you. I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>am >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>100% dedicated to making this game the best its ever been. Dont let Space >>>>>>Ghost tell you otherwise. Most of you know my work ethic anyways so I am >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>not >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>worried. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Thats my story and I am sticking to it >>>>>>>Silver Dragon >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>From a message by Space Ghost about Re:Some of you will hate me but oh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>well ;p: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>i think it's a terrible decision... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I can't think of any 1 reason i would want to >>>>>>>play in a tournament that i couldnt have full discolsure on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not providing the .twa file to me means your just hiding something you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>dont >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>want others to see before the game starts... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>There really isnt any other reason. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Unbelieveable that you wouldnt want everyone to know everything about >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>edits before game play. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At this rate i seriously doubt i will be playing the >>>>>>>United States Open. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A game i have played every year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Shame too .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We just witnessed a Sysop bow down to a tiny portion >>>>>>>of what we call PEER PRESSURE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>When a sysop tell's me he is going to do something he does it. He >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>doesn't >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>say he is going to do something and >>>>>>>then let other people change thier mind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Wake up peeps...If your still going to play Insist on >>>>>>>Enforcable Rules so the sysop can't one day change his mind after >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>talking >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>some players. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Space Ghost >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Silver Dragon" >>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:24 PM >>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Some of you will hate me but oh well ;p >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have decided not to put up the USO .TWA file for public download. Ya >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>ya >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I know I said I would but I changed my mind after speaking with a few >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>people >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>and thinking on the matter. I dont want the game out there for everyone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>play and get sick of and over plan on. I will run the game on monday the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>6th >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>at midnight eastern! This will be your best chance to feel the game out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>will give it to one or two other sysops to run at later dates for those >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>who >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>cant make this one. But I dont want everyone to have it, I think it will >>>>>>>detract from the actual game. Sorry if this bothers anyone but its what >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>decided to be in the best intrest of the game. I mean the edits are >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>pretty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>well posted anyway so it shouldnt be a huge deal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Anyway thats it for now >>>>>>>>Silver Dragon (SYSOP Hardcoded TWGS) >>>>>>>>www.planettw.com >>>>>>>>telnet://hardcoded.dnsalias.org >>>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>--- >>>>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --- FEddy 1.4.03/modPHX * Origin: http://www.twgs.org -- THE Trade Wars web forum! (1:229/522.0) .