Subj : Freebies
To   : ROY J. TELLASON
From : CHARLES ANGELICH
Date : Fri May 06 2005 12:04 am

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Hello Roy - 

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RJT>> I'm not sure about those percentages. I read somewhere
RJT>> that since it was introduced firefox has snagged about
RJT>> 20%, though I have no way of knowing how accurate those
RJT>> figures are. 

CA>> Not very accurate at all apparently? 

CA>> http://informationweek.com/story/
CA>> showArticle.jhtml?articleID=159902316 

CA>> Looks like FF is about 6% as of last month. 

RJT> Still not bad considering the short time that it's been
RJT> around. 

We weren't discussing comparative success for Mozilla software
but yes FF has been doing well in terms of acceptance by the
masses. The number of downloads was 50,5**,*** when I checked
on it earlier today. 

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RJT>> Maybe. Or maybe they'll guess that they're seriously
RJT>> alienating  folks and at least consider looking into it.
RJT>> I can't ask for much more than that. 

CA>> Many do look into browser compatibility when designing
CA>> their webpages but it is really discouraging that those
CA>> who write the browsers can add 'features' and eye-candy
CA>> but can't accommodate years old coding recommendations
CA>> from the W3C. FF is as guilty of this as the others are
CA>> btw. 

RJT> I look at it this way... It's a "pull" medium, I find what
RJT> I want or I look someplace else and find it there instead.
RJT> If I want what somebody is offering, then great. If not,
RJT> they lose.  Traditional media are "push", they put it out
RJT> there and you take it, and the choices are few. This
RJT> _should_ lead to a fairly radical difference between one
RJT> and the other, but there are still a lot of folks who
RJT> don't have a clue. 

The business model that has made the creators of Google wealthy
today is that they push advertising that their software
believes to be relevant to your search terms. So successful
it's becoming the model for others to emulate including MSN. 

You are online as a hobby or as entertainment. Those who are
online to make money have other priorities. 

RJT> Have you ever read the cluetrain manifesto? 

Nope. 

RJT> I got the book, first, but I'm pretty sure that the whole
RJT> book is online at this point. That pretty well summarizes
RJT> a lot of my thought processes on this stuff, 

As one who uses the internet casually and not as a money-making
venture I really do empathize with how this affects you. I have
many of the same desires for ease of access and greater
efficiencies displaying webpages but I've spent a great many
hours conversing in usenet with those who put up webpages for
money and I can tell you they will continue to do what pays the
best. I can't fault them for wanting to optimize their incomes
even though most of what they do is contrary to _my_ best
interests. 

If I had to chose a side I would be on the same side you are on
but I know what's driving developments and I know it's not
going to redirect itself to simplicity any time soon. 

RJT> and explains why those who continue to try and push are
RJT> doomed to fail. 

Those who push are not only NOT failing they are becoming
billionaires in the process. 

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