Subj : [--- Fnos Ftp Tcp/Ip --- To : Wsmith From : Charles Angelich Date : Sun Sep 10 2000 10:16 am 1230d3255de7 tcpip Hello Wsmith,- 1>> How would you have gotten the information about FTP'g to port 22 1>> if you haven't been able to get past the login? 2>> When you said "I am bouncing off of the Boston Library Consortium 2>> modem gateway. My ISP --IS-- my FidoNET BBS. That is my only 2>> e-mail address." it seemed that you had said that it _was_ your 2>> BBS? ws> In answer to question #1. At one time the sysop was running both ws> modem and telnet lines, and told me how to connect with FTP (it ws> is in his system bulletins). I can RLOGIN in a "text" mode and ws> actually log in to his BBS, but unless he uses UUENCODE or ws> KERMIT, the text path may present problems. UUENCODE is a way to alter binary to all 7 bit code for older systems that only transmit in 7 bit mode. This is most often used when sending binary via email or even when posting to usenet groups (similar to FIDO but on the Internet). Kermit is a protocol very much like zmodem (many arguments have raged over this similarity vs differences). Neither of these is `in play' when using text mode to navigate a BBS. Both UUENCODE and kermit are for transfer of files as is zmodem. ws> I can log in and do things in text -- such as typing -- but file ws> transfers have problems, uploading especially, and with ratios ws> enforced, you can't download until you upload. I don't recall what your hardware is but when using DOS uploading via zmodem is fraught with difficulty and when it does work it works at terribly slow transfer rates 1/2 to 1/4 the transfer rate of the same BBS via direct dialup. When kermit is available and configured properly at the BBS it will get 75% of direct dialup rates and is usually quite dependable. The BBS you mentioned is a WC! BBS and WC! is configured at the recommended settings for kermit transfers from a Hewlett-Packard _calculator_. About 70-120cps and the author of WC! refuses to change it (it is hard coded - nothing the owner of the software can modify). ws> In answer to question #2. This is my BBS right here. ws> "thecorral.tzo.com", a SynchroNET BBS called "Pony's Corral". It ws> is my BBS. It provides me with FTP services on port 22 (and 21 or ws> 23?). Port 23 is telnet. The FTP port varies a bit from BBS to BBS. ws> As an Internet Service Provider that creates an e-mail account it ws> is an ISP :-), although :-), a very limited one. ;-) :-PPP. Yes, that would be correct. When used to access the Internet the BBS is, in effect, acting as an ISP. ws> The Boston Library Consortium modem gateway is a modem gateway on ws> a modem server that accepts calls from modems in order to provide ws> modem services. If you must use a modem to connect why would you want "modem services". I think what you _mean_ is that the library is dialed direct using your modem and then allows you access to the Internet (which is _not_ available by direct dialing to _anybody_). ws> It is more akin to an intelligent modem multiplexer. The modem ws> gateway is not a BBS. The modem gateway is not an ISP. The modem ws> server gateway is a modem server gateway. If you can use your modem to direct dial the library and then connect to _any_ internet service the library is a simple ISP, not a `modem gateway'. Both your BBS Pony's Corral and the library are doing the same thing. They allow you to direct dial and connect to them and they are connected to the Internet. What is generally referred to as an ISP uses TCP/IP to redirect your commands to the Internet and back to you. Apparently the BBS is only offering to access data for you and the library may be just a commercial `BBS' and offering the same. Data only? If your library has a selection for LYNX access (an Internet text-only browser) that application _might_ do zmodem and/or kermit transfers that can then be downloaded to your system (but I doubt it). You can get an account at many ISPs for as little as $10 per month for unlimited time 24/7 access but no personal webpage etc. There are free ISPs that usually want W9x software to access and oddly enough you must already _have_ Internet access to sign up with them. Catch-22? > > , , > o/ Charles.Angelich \o , > <| AngelFirecom |> __o/ > / > USA, MI < \ __\__ ___ * ATP/16bit 2.31 * .... Composed for you - on an 6/12mhz `286 with 1meg using DOS 16bit telnet. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) .