Subj : FTP TCP/IP To : WSMITH From : CHARLES ANGELICH Date : Wed Aug 30 2000 05:45 am 1230ce5ff1ec tcpip Hello William - CA>> I don't think I ever got FNOS going here but I have used several CA>> DOS FTP, HTTP, and telnet apps here. CA>> 1) Are you doing this on a DOS machine or a Windows equipped CA>> machine? WS> A DOS equipped 80386 and an IBM Junior "Peanut" XT. CA>> 2) Are you using 16bit DOS or 32bit - i.e. PC, XT, '2/3/4/586', CA>> Pentium, PII, PIII, or ??? WS> I am using MS-DOS 6.20. However, I have CSDPMI for XEDIT thanks WS> grants my 80386 DPMI services. I am also using the EMX/GCC C WS> compiler. So I guess that I am in 16bit DOS partitions until DPMI WS> activates its flat memory model? The DOS apps I am familiar with don't require DPMI services. I've run them on an old 8086 AT&T with a CGA card and monochrome monitor. 8) CA>> 3) Do you only want access to FTP or do you also want telnet and CA>> HTTP? WS> I want FTP to start (I just want to download files from my BBS WS> directory), at least to start with. I just want to snarf files. The most common suggestion is to use NCSA telnet. I tried it and didn't like it myself. 8\ CA>> 4) Is your dialup connection a shell account, a PPP account, CA> or ??? WS> My dialup is '???'; it is something called a "Xyplex Modem Pool". WS> I take it that it is a server on a network on a WAN in a closet WS> with incoming lines. It is some sort of multiplexer on a network, WS> you then select the adress of a particular machine via an RLOGIN WS> or a TELNET connect. It is something called the Boston Library WS> Consortium Gateway server, some sort of terminal server and WS> scripting combination hybrid. CA>> 5) Your description sounds like an intranet. Are you wanting to CA>> connect via an in-house network (intranet), or via the Internet? WS> Apparently you feed the multiplexer server an IP address or a WS> domain name and it takes you to a machine. I believe it is some WS> kind of intranet, yes. What I mean is that you are using a modem to dialup a number then connect. If the BBS you are calling is not physically connected to you by a cable/wire then it is a `dialup' and not an intranet. --8<--cut WS> I tried connecting to the BBSs domain name with a TELNET WS> :22 and then attempt to start up FTP. The standard port for telnet is port `23' not `22'. FTP is port `21'. Ports are addresses of services available on a server. Ports commonly used: No. Name No. Name 11 systat 79 finger 13 daytime 80 HTTP World Wide Web 15 netstat 110 pop3 20 ftp-data 119 nntp 21 ftp 517 talk 23 telnet 1525 archie 25 stmp 6667 irc 43 whois 53 domain 70 gopher This is where some confusion begins. Some software refers to itself as a telnet app but includes FTP services. Others only do telnet and FTP is a separate program altogether. WS> FNOS returned the diagnostic "Looking for local connection..." WS> and then hung. Possibly because you specified the wrong port number? WS> My Sysop has informed me that this is not the way to perform an WS> FTP. When I telnet with a suffix port of '22' I see the FTP --- WS> Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.28 You do not telnet to a URL and then initiate FTP to download or upload. This would work with kermit or zmodem or a number of other protocols but with FTP you _connect_ with FTP and then disconnect when finished. This may be where some of your problems are - trying to telnet to the FTP connection? I'm not familiar with Synchronet BBS but the sysop should have told you the correct port number unless he/she did not know that you used `22'? It seems as though you are connecting but the system has no port `22' and therefore gives up and disconnects. Even those apps that do both telnet and FTP require that you either select FTP services from a menu or, if the app uses a command line, it might be "open some.ftp.server". I think YAN (KA9Q modified) uses "ftp open some.ftp.server" at the command line of YAN if I remember correctly? Some require that you add the port number after the URL some do not. I don't have a working knowledge of FNOS but there is/was an FNOS echo on FIDO - I never used it but I saw it listed. FNOS is also known as JNOS and a few other names that I don't recall right now. Howard Eisenberg has said that he did use FNOS some time ago (he seems to read messages in the DOS Internet FIDO echo?) you could try posting a message to him there? The URL is the `address' and the port number is a doorbell to various entry points to that address. If you go in the wrong door you can't find what you're looking for. FTP is for file management including upload and download and telnet is the user interface to just about everything else (HTTP being a sort of user interface to hypertext). Meanwhile try to find "open" in your FNOS doc files or if there is a help page and use port `21' for FTP or for telnet port `23' and tell me if this makes a difference for you. > > , , > o/ Charles.Angelich \o , > <| AngelFirecom |> __o/ > / > USA, MI < \ __\__ --- * ATP/16bit 2.31 * .... Composed for you - on an 6/12mhz `286 with 1meg using DOS 16bit telnet. * Origin: Eastpointe Amiga (1:120/228) .