Subj : Re: Win4lin To : Time Warrior From : Mweeby Date : Mon Oct 03 2005 11:22 am "Time Warrior" wrote in message news:433AE23E.33331.altsync@malkaviabbs.com... > From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet > > To: Sam Alexander > Re: Win4lin > By: Sam Alexander to Time Warrior on Wed Sep 28 2005 03:56 pm > > > First let me apologize... I didn't mean for my post to sound crude or > > disrespectful. If you have a stable Windows box running and your stuff is > > crankin' along nicely, you're correct, that's the solution for you. Linux > > does take time to learn and it's way of doing even basic things like mounted > > drives and devices is completely different from Windows, which means it's > > not only learning how to use Linux but also learning how linux itself works. > > > You're 100% right, Linux isn't for everyone. I guess I find myself pushing > > it because I have used Windows (and MS-DOS before that), Linux, and OSX > > concurrently for a good number of years, so I see the pros and cons of all > > these operating systems. For me I see so many advantages to a Unix-style OS > > over Windows because of this, but again, that's me. Everyone has their own > > experiences and views. > > Linux is for everyone you just can't expect people to learn it in the same > way. You see, for some things, GUI is more efficient than the command prompt. > For other things, command prompt is more efficient than a GUI. To say one or > the other is better is like saying sight is better than sound (or vice versa) > or that touch is superior to taste (or vice versa). > > Linux didn't used to be for everyone however in rescent times the newer > distros have become alot more flexible and tollerant allowing people to learn > it in the ways they personally require being taught. > > With Linspire, other Linux Distros, Win4lin, OSX and Mac's long over due > switching to Intel and a direcx equivelent being worked on -- in combination > with the increasing ineficiency of Windows, Micro$hafts blatant disregard for > it's customer base and Ballmer continuing to make a dick of himself -- > Windows' days are numbered allowing Linux to finally step up to bat in the > main stream. > > As Linux becomes easier to use -- being a powerful OS by default i've no > doubts in my mind that within the next 10 years or so, it will replace and > otherwise destroy what at that time will be concidered the "Forgotten Bad > Dream" of the rule of the "Microsoft Empire" under a shitty and unstable > pethetic excuse for a glorified application that claimed to be an OS. > > (taken from: http://www.sunvv.com/english/article_3031.html) > > Webster's Dictionary definition of Windows > > Windows: n. > > 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit > operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 > bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. > > > A personal analogy to this is I have a '55 Chevy I'm trying to restore. I > > know next to nothing about cars, so even simple tasks like changing out the > > brake pads and wheel cylinders is a show stopper for me even though everyone > > tells me it's simple. For me, who's never done this before, it's very > > intemediating, but for a pro it's cake. Linux is the same way... most of > > what I do on Linux is second nature, but for someone who's never used it > > before it's VERY intemidating and even simple tasks like setting-up > > networking or mounting a CDROM or Floppy drive are hard. > > > So I totally see it from your prespective, and my apologies for the way my > > post came across. Rob and Deuce have written an awesome distro of Sync for > > It's ok. No worries. If I was offended, you'd know :-) > > > Linux, and I just hate seeing a handfull of Linux boards listed on the Sync > > BBS list. I can't help but advocate it when I can, but I'll be more mindful > > Hence one of my reasons towards my overall goal. Before i can switch to the > Linux version of Synchronet I think it would be wise to first know how to use > Linux efficiently. Don't you? :-) > > > BBS list. I can't help but advocate it when I can, but I'll be more mindful > > next time I want to throw this out there :) > > I don't know but i've heard Sync/Win32 under Win4lin is a real bitch to get > working right if it can be made to work right at all. However, i've never > turned down a challenge that I know I am capable of possibly winning :-) > > With help, I'm sure I can bitchslap Win4lin into cooperating with > Synchronet. > > -- > .---------------------------------------------------------------. > | [TiME WaRRiOR] aka [Dave Kelso] AIM: Twar782 | +o Malkavia BBS | I agree completely regarding the differences in learning. I have my bbs running under Windows, and it's running well. I have begun to look at setting it up under Linux, but I'm so baffled and confused, I think I'll put that project aside for the moment. I think part of the problem stems from the fact that I know next to nothing about the use and nomenclature of Cvs, and DM makes frequent refverences to it in the sbbsunix.txt document. I have been running Slackware Linux on another computer and have dabbled off-and-on with this particular distribution since about version 7. One of the things that drew me to Linux in the first place, as a blind user, is the fact that I didn't have to rely on sighted assistance to install it. It can be installed from the ground up with speech support throughout the whole process. In Windows, speech applications, such as screen readers, can only be installed in fully working installations. As for using Linux itself, it seems to depend on a variety of factors. If you want to browse the web and read your mail and news, you have several applications for doing this, some more easy to learn than others. Admittedly with windows, installers are nice and convenient, but even in Linux I've gotten used to the idea of unpacking the tarball, going into the directory, finding the Readme or Install file, reading it and following the steps to complete the installation. Unfortunately it seems to me that setting up Synchronet under linux requires a level of knowledge that I have not yet obtained. Also, it's not like this must happen right away since this is running quite nicely under windows, but it is one of those projects I'll persue over the winter. --- þ Synchronet þ Greenwood, Lake Placid, NY, telnet://greenwoo.synchro.net .