Subj : The FUTURE
To   : Deuce
From : Time Warrior
Date : Fri Sep 16 2005 09:30 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

  To: Deuce
  Re: The FUTURE
  By: Deuce to Time Warrior on Wed Sep 14 2005 05:49 pm

 > To: Time Warrior
 > Re: The FUTURE By: Time Warrior to Deuce on Wed Sep 14 2005 02:59:00

 >  >  > As I said, you DO in fact have a way of knowing that means "Door Games
 >  >  > Other Door Applications" namely the 00index files.  The problem isn't
 >  >  > the quotes around it and using spaces, the problem is that it's 20 cha
 >  >  > type instead of 12.

 >  > Yes, but then your forcing people to use the web interface and again
 >  > eliminating choice. Also, aside from people getting pissed at that, you'l
 >  > have people who dispite the fact that 00index is sitting right there, the
 >  > still won't click on it, know its there, what its for or even be paying m
 >  > attention to anything other than the directory list.

 >  > How does this differ from what SEXYZ can already to? SEXYZ supports long
 >  > filenames, does it not? Why didn't Rob just make a "stable zmodem" and st
 >  > keep it as short filenames? Why allow long filenames at all? (under your
 >  > concept, these are the questions).

 > I don't see how I'm forcing people to use a web interface at all.  The 00ind
 > files exist for every FTP users, are the first thing on the list, and has a
 > fairly friendly name.  If they're paying attention to the directory list,
 > they'll see it.

Yes, they are noticable. And most people miss most things that are in plain 
sight. For an unrelated but parrelel example -- I was once representing 
josephsjewelersonline.com at a local carneval here at a catholic school 
called St. Pascals. Every night, a different band played. I lost count of how 
many people walked up to me and asked "Hey, what band is playing tonight?" 
when the 15 foot wide LIGHTED sign said as big as life "Playing Tonight: 
So-n-Such".

If you use the 00index.htm it loads in a web browswer. If that is the *only* 
way to see the long description, then yes, you *are* forcing the web 
interface.

I happen to like the interface. However, not everyone is me and seeing as 
most people miss whats right in front of them, they won't even know its 
there. You could have a file in the root called 
"read_this_or_the_ftp_wont_work_right.txt" and 99.9% of people won't even 
notice it's there.

It's just like the age old problem of users not reading telnet and dialup 
ansi menus and screens. The commands are there. The explanations are there. 
But the Sysop still gets the email of "Hey how do I access the....".

Websites are no different. My parents miss the blatantly obvious instructions 
every day. Sometimes I think if there was a website in text size 8 that said 
(using my Dad as an example) "HEY WALLY! CLICK ME! I'M THE OPTION YOU WANT TO 
DO SUCH-N-SUCH!" that he would *still* phone upstairs to me and ask what to 
do and claim he can't figure it out. lol

 > Long filenames are usefull for anything that is GUI only.  As for allowing l
 > file names, that gets done because some files may have them.  *nix doesn't h
 > an interface for automatic short filename creation, so it would be harder to
 > disallow long filenames than to support them.

Then it's a good thing I'm not suggesting anything be disallowed but rather 
more allowances made.

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