Subj : Re: The Documentary... To : Tharius From : Time Warrior Date : Sun Aug 21 2005 02:25 am From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet To: Tharius Re: Re: The Documentary... By: Tharius to Time Warrior on Sat Aug 20 2005 11:19 pm > > The new scene is both easier and harder. Motivating people to cooperate is > > harder. There are less people in the scene. Less programmers. Less of > > everything and everyone. > I submit for consideration that there defacto a higher ratio of > coders:noncoders than there has ever been before ... and to support that I > point to this very conference. We have many talented people here and that > breeds potential (and toe fungus if you're not careful) ... Less of > everything? No my friend, much more ... but we have to think different ... > if we want the users we'll have to go back out and get them, not just wait > for the calls to roll on in. We definately have to get out there and get > some non-sysop users :) But it can work. I had a friend a couple of years > ago send me a link to an online game server. This friend had never BBSed. > The game was Tradewars :P No there are less people. Alot less. But I don't concider that a bad thing at this point. What I do think kinda sucks though, is there are so many people who can do amazing things that are stuborn. Human nature I guess. No one can agree on anything and too much bickering about stupid stuff. Synchronet has that too but at least there are enough people cooperating to make things happen. People like Rob, Deuce, Runemaster, Tracker1, Cyan and others all contributing to one cause as opposed to the ole "the hell with all of you, i'm gonna go do my own version of the exact same thing your doing" and nothing ever gets done. Synchronet has progressed very quickly. What i've learned, is that with development there are two types of people. People like me who have ideas but no coding skill what so ever and then there are coders with all the skill in the known universe. People like me make up for coding skill with taking things that exist and trying to creatively apply new applications to them. For example my Synchweb Mods. To be specific: My message system mod has an "email address book" that I hope one day Deuce and RM throw an SMB into but for now uses local cookies to store entries. All it took was finding an html address book that doesn't suck, throwing it into Synchweb and hoping and praying I don't break anything in the proccess. lol Alot of it is guess work and taking your chances. When I do stuff like that I have no clue whether or not it's going to work. Sometimes it does and othertimes it doesn't. All people see are the mods I have released successfully. There have been quite a few unspoken failers among their ranks as well. There are quite a few mods i've tried (and failed) to make. What I have been trying to do is get programmers and other people into an alliance of sorts to work together on third party stuff. Maybe you might be interested in something like this. I haven't talked about it, the people working with me nor any of the ideas publically because of the general skeptisism and scroutinty that even some of my suggestions tend to be met with in here. Most of the people working with me have both limited time and skill however together I hope in the future we'll have something really cool to show for our efforts. However until then, the details of these projects are "classified" simply to avoid counter productive scrotiny and the annoyances that come with it. No other reason. If you'd like to help, email me. > > We need to get into the main stream for alot of problems on the Internet > > to be solved, however the lack of funds makes this a draggingly > > slow proccess. > I'm happier here on the sidelines. The main stream is too demanding and has > too many fickle people involved in it. If 1 in every 10000 people accessing > the internet was an avid BBSer, we'd have something :) As to funding, well, > I don't suppose there's much I can say about that. At 29 I'm a part time > student at McMaster, working full time to keep a roof over my head while my > fiancee works on her teaching degree. I can afford my high speed access by > doing things like parking my truck and buying a 6 pack instead of a 2-4 :) > I guess as a developing programmer I have the advantage of lots of > involvement based only on typing a whole bunch ... but you know I've gone to > internet cafe's to do demonstrations of BBSing and it didn't cost a cent. > Food for thought.... internet cafes will usually back anything that keeps > people online. It's a starting point. Well then you might like some of the projects me and some people are working on. We are very much "on the sidelines" as you like to put it. As for users and Sysops -- I think the line between users and Sysops should be eliminated. I mean thats like saying only Network Admins should be able to have home pages. lol ... I think that things like Synchronet could eventually provide everyone with a "home on the internet" via their own home PC and definately help secure their box from nasty and otherwise unwanted things. The current scene has ALOT of potental. -- .---------------------------------------------------------------. | [TiME WaRRiOR] aka [Dave Kelso] AIM: Twar782 | +o Malkavia BBS | | www : synchsupport.net - malkaviabbs.com - xpresit.net | | www$: josephsjewelersonline.com - preferedinsurance.com | | @: time.warrior@malkaviabbs. com | \______________________________________________________________/ --- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76 * Malkavia - Chicago, IL - telnet://malkaviabbs.com --- Synchronet 3.13a-Win32 NewsLink 1.83 .