Subj : Re: Telgate/Mudgate Echo To : Tracker1 From : Time Warrior Date : Sat Jul 02 2005 11:18 am From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet To: Tracker1 Re: Re: Telgate/Mudgate Echo By: Tracker1 to Jazzman on Sat Jul 02 2005 05:41 am > To: Jazzman > Jazzman wrote: > > Addon's of both bbs's and cars take money, with some ability needed > > to install the parts. Skill level needed always depends on what it is > > one is installing on the car/bbs. > I've done plenty with sync without spending a dime (note: I do have the bbs > compiled from vc++, but could have used the BCC compiler (free) just as > easily, or run from linux (also free)... it does cost time, but that isn't t > same. Yep. You can even get a computer to run it on for free, if you're patient and know your shit about computers. Not sure about where anyone else is, but here in Chicago -- if you look closely -- you will eventually run into a computer that someone has thrown away, that all it needs is a replacement part or two and it's as good as new. People tend to throw them away because a) They just got their new 2GHZ bad-ass machine and do not realize that their current machine still has alot of uses yet b) It had one tiny problem that they were too stupid / ignorant / cheap / lazy to fix it or have it fixed, or they ASSUMED that it was broken beyond repair. c) The system may very well be broken beyond repair, but they did not realize that things like the CD / DVD Drive, Floppy Drive, Hard Drive, RAM, Sound Card, etc... still function just fine despite the fact that the motherboard may have died for whatever reason. > True, I guess it just comes down to, what makes a given BBS unique, there ar > so many accessible now, I mean probably close to what was available in my AC > in the early-mid 90's (#602 had about a thousand or so bbses), and can say > that at least 2/3 had taken the time to put up a few ansis, nothing special > for 90% of them, but at least something different. > A lot of the active boards also had active sysops... in this day and age, an > network can be grabbed from a few hundred boards online, some like minimalis > some like modded to hell, just varies a bit. I rather like this day and age. All that happened, is the main stream hit the "reset button" on the BBS Scene. This is like the early 80's all over again -- and Ward invented BBS's a month before I was born and in 1985 I was a little kid and about all I knew about computers was that Atari Games appeared to be pretty neat. To me, *this* scene feels like a chance to get in on the ground floor of a new adventure, seeing as by default of age -- I missed the previous one. 1998 was like 1978 for this new scene and 2005 is like 1985. The previous scene hit it's peek at about 1990. So, we'll see where things stand around the year 2010 when it gets here. I've lost track of how many NUL's i've gotten that say "hey, just found telnet, glad BBS's still exsist! nice ansi by the way! ... or that followed by a few paragraphs of personal history about who they were and what they did in the prior scene. I've also gotten quite a few to the effect of "Hey, my friend just told me about all this stuff. I've never seen it before now. This is pretty cool with all it can do. Command line telnet, web, nntp, email, etc... I'm glad this stuff exsists this is neat!" The old scene didn't grow over night and I don't expect this one to either. What REALLY impresses me, is that the younger generations are starting to find BBS's of their own accord. Ryan of The Binary Cafe (bbs.ryan42.com) is 14 years old. He got into the scene in 1999. He found it via a google search. Ryan also runs a mutli-platform LAN (Windows, *nix and Macintosh -- he's concidering adding OS/2 to the equasion one of these days). He's got everything from a brand new computer to old 486's. He learned computers by destroying the old ones and trying to rebuild them and switch parts around. BBS'ing, regardless of how old you are, regardless of the protocol or emulation and regardless of the BBS Software or OS -- has always catored to the more open minded who don't beleive everything thats on TV and is motivated enough to research and ask questions. This is the way it should be otherwise it would become like the main stream web or usenet and saturated with crap. The main advantage to BBS's are things like access settings, black lists and a sense of comunity. I don't like the arrogant 313373 attitudes but the BBS Scene enforces consiquences for ones actions. If you mess with someone on AIM you get blocked. Main stream web forums are saturated with lamers and flamers. Usenet (with the exceptions of areas like alt.bbs*.*) are saturated with spam and idiots. On a BBS -- if you piss of the Sysop your gone. On an echomail net -- piss off the NC and your gone and filtered. Piss off alot of Sysops and your banned from a crapload of boards. What really keeps the scene going is consiquences for actions. The rest of the internet does not seem to enforce that nearly as much as it should. > Like I've said, it isn't about the art so much... just something unique in a > system... telnet into 100 boards from the sync bbs list at random, and will > probably find at least half, don't have much more than the stock bases + > dovenet, and a few doors, that they all have in common... I agree. As i've said -- when the Sysop cares, the users care. 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