Subj : Re: Simple request...
To   : Finnigann
From : Digital Man
Date : Mon May 30 2005 06:05 pm

  Re: Re: Simple request...
  By: Finnigann to Angus Mcleod on Mon May 30 2005 09:37 pm

 >  >  >  > Just for fun, ask what a "Hard CR" is and watch the flamefest begin
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Gee i dunno.... carriage(sp?) return (aka the hitting of the ENTER key
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Why would there be a flame fest provided by that answer? lol Or would 
 >  >  > someone ASKING the question that starts it? lol
 >  >
 >  > Well, I'm willing to bet that it's a CRLF since that's what internet mess
 >  > use as a line delimiter.  Macs are the only think I know of that use a CR
 >  > maybe VAX... can't remember) for their text files.  But as to how such a 
 >  > differs from a "soft" CR or if (since LF is the last char in the sequenc)
 >  > should be a "Hard LF" or some such.  Just more of the qualifying things t
 >  > don't need it stuff.
 > 
 >  AM> You know, this might make sense if he'd said a "hard newline" or
 >  AM> a "hard end-of-line" or something.  But a CR is a CR is a
 >  AM> Carriage Return is an 0x0d and there is nothing hard or soft
 >  AM> about it.
 > 
 > OK time to display my ignorance:
 > 
 > Ah-hem... What character ends the line of text on a, oh let's say a web
 > page? I mean the line length changes with the size of the web browser's
 > window. So it's not a HARD carriage return, is it?
 > 
 > Something other than asc(13) is at work here... ain't it?

Of course. HTML files do not use carriage returns or line feeds to break lines.
They use tags such as <br>, <p>, tables, and the like. An a HTML document may
contain *no* white-space (e.g. line endings) at all and still *display* as
multiple-lines. That's what the *language* part of Hypertext Markup Language
means.

                                                  digital man

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